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  • When Cybercrime Gets Personal

    When Cybercrime Gets Personal
    Mar 18 2026
    Most security breaches don't begin with sophisticated code or elaborate technical exploits. They begin with a phone call, a convincing email, or someone at a help desk who just wanted to be helpful. The human layer is often the weakest link, and the criminals who understand that are the ones causing the most damage. My guest today is May Chen-Contino. She's the CEO of Unit 221B, a threat disruption company that delivers actionable intelligence to enterprises, law enforcement, and government agencies. Her background spans cybersecurity, fintech, and SaaS leadership at companies like PayPal and eBay, and she brings a distinctly mission-driven lens to the work, shaped equally by a career in business and a background as a Krav Maga instructor. Unit 221B operates less like a typical security vendor and more like a specialized investigative unit, with a team that includes tenured ransomware experts, incident responders, and former law enforcement, all focused on one outcome: criminal arrest. May has seen firsthand how ransomware gangs operate with their own codes of conduct, how a younger generation of cybercriminals is throwing those rules out entirely, and why paying a ransom is increasingly a bet that doesn't pay off. We talk about why social engineering has overtaken technical hacking as the dominant attack vector, what organizations and individuals should never do in the aftermath of a breach, and how crimes against children online often go unreported for the worst possible reasons. May also shares a story from her own experience being scammed on eBay, and what she did about it, which tells you everything you need to know about how she approaches this work. Show Notes: [1:28] May shares her background and how she came to lead Unit 221B, a threat disruption company serving enterprises, law enforcement, and government.[1:41] May traces her path into cybersecurity, explaining how a lifelong sense of justice and a friendship built through Krav Maga training led her to a team of investigators doing real criminal work.[5:55] May recounts being scammed while selling luxury shoes on eBay, describing how a fraudulent PayPal email convinced her the sale had failed after she had already shipped the item.[8:22] Rather than accepting the loss, May engaged the scammer directly, intercepted her own shipment through FedEx, and used a photoshopped payment screenshot to flip the situation on him.[11:36] The story ends with May recovering her shoes, followed by a candid note that this approach carries real risk and is not something she would recommend to others.[12:57] May outlines Unit 221B's core work, including criminal investigations, threat intelligence, pen testing, and incident response, all oriented toward federal prosecution and criminal arrest.[16:52] The evolving threat landscape, contrasting professional ransomware organizations that tend to honor agreements with a younger generation of cybercriminals who operate without limits.[18:44] May describes this younger criminal group in detail, noting members are predominantly 14 to 26 years old, English-speaking, and motivated as much by social status as financial gain.[21:49] May explains why wiping systems and restoring backups after a breach is one of the most damaging mistakes an organization can make, eliminating evidence and removing any path to prosecution.[23:04] She walks through Unit 221B's incident response process, covering digital forensics, insider threat identification, and determining who is behind an attack before advising on next steps.[26:32] May addresses the ransom payment question directly, recommending against paying as a default while acknowledging that knowing your adversary is essential to making the right call.[28:04] The discussion covers the legal and PR dimensions of a breach, including notification obligations and why some organizations choose to go public about what happened.[31:08] May pushes back on the perception that law enforcement doesn't help, explaining that federal agencies are understaffed and must prioritize cases, but are genuinely committed to the work.[34:08] The issue of victims deleting evidence before reporting, and how frequently this forecloses any possibility of investigation or prosecution.[34:55] The conversation turns to crimes targeting children, including sextortion, and why open dialogue between parents and kids is critical to getting victims to come forward before lasting harm is done.[37:18] May reflects on a keynote she gave at Harvard's Bold Conference for young women, describing the tension between advice to build an online presence and the real safety risks that come with it.[38:51] May shares practical security guidance for young people online, including being mindful of what appears in video backgrounds, using strong passwords, and enabling two-factor authentication.[40:35] May identifies AI-assisted attacks and social engineering as the two most significant forces reshaping the threat landscape, with...
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  • Stopping Phone Scams

    Stopping Phone Scams
    Mar 11 2026
    Phone scams get dismissed as background noise or just annoying interruptions and unknown numbers with robotic voices we learn to ignore. But behind that noise is an industry built on psychology, automation, and staggering profitability. My guest today is Alex Quilici. He's an engineer, entrepreneur, and the CEO of YouMail, a company focused on protecting consumers and businesses from unwanted and fraudulent calls. Alex has spent years analyzing how robocalls and scam campaigns are designed, how they evolve, and why they continue to work despite better technology and increased awareness. What began as a voicemail platform shifted into fraud prevention after users unintentionally revealed a powerful truth that even small friction can disrupt scam operations. He shares how his own father got pulled into a tech support scam which cemented his mission to move beyond blocking calls and toward tracing and stopping scams closer to their source. We talk about how scam calls are engineered, the tactics that trigger panic and urgency, and how criminals use data breaches, AI tools, and impersonation to sound convincing. We also explore what's changing, including fewer random calls, more targeted attacks, rising text and messaging scams, and the difficult balance between stopping fraud and allowing legitimate calls through. Alex shares practical ways consumers and businesses can reduce risk, along with a candid look at why this problem is so persistent and where it's likely heading next. Show Notes: [2:23] Alex explains how YouMail shifted from a voicemail company into fraud prevention after noticing users using an out-of-service message to deter robocallers.[3:25] Discussion turns to robocall volume, with Alex estimating billions of calls per day and roughly five billion robocalls per month.[4:10] About half of all robocalls are unwanted, while the rest include legitimate reminders from doctors, hospitals, and financial institutions.[5:05] Alex notes that legitimate telemarketing still exists but is now heavily overshadowed by sketchy and scam-driven campaigns.[6:40] Scam calls have declined in raw volume, yet attackers are becoming more targeted and efficient.[7:15] Scammers increasingly pivot to texts, email, and messaging platforms where third-party blocking is harder.[9:27] Alex describes limited progress shutting down shady telemarketers but better success against large-scale illegal robocall operations.[11:05] Sense of urgency emerges as the dominant tactic, often involving fake charges, legal threats, or financial panic triggers.[13:10] Modern scams combine spoofed caller ID with breached personal data to create highly convincing impersonations.[16:27] Scammers are compared to extremely motivated marketers who rapidly adopt AI and optimization techniques.[17:30] The economics are startling, with scam campaigns generating enormous profits at extremely low cost per call.[18:44] Alex advises letting unexpected calls go to voicemail and returning calls through verified, official channels.[20:50] Panic-based bank account scams are highlighted as particularly dangerous because fear overrides logic.[23:19] Businesses are identified as vulnerable targets, especially through employees' personal mobile phones.[31:52] Enforcement efforts are increasing, and Alex predicts stronger regulatory pressure over the coming year.[35:54] Impersonation scams tied to toll roads, DMVs, crypto, and romance schemes are flagged as growing threats.[38:19] A simple defensive principle is reinforced: pause, disengage, and verify independently before taking action.[41:44] Alex outlines YouMail's call-screening approach, adding friction that blocks automated scam systems while allowing real callers through. Thanks for joining us on Easy Prey. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes and leave a nice review. Links and Resources: Podcast Web PageFacebook Pagewhatismyipaddress.comEasy Prey on InstagramEasy Prey on TwitterEasy Prey on LinkedInEasy Prey on YouTubeEasy Prey on PinterestYouMailAlex Quilici - LinkedIn
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    45 m
  • Stolen Identity - Stolen Peace

    Stolen Identity - Stolen Peace
    Mar 4 2026
    Identity theft gets talked about a lot, but usually in the abstract: freeze your credit, watch your statements, don't click suspicious links. What doesn't get talked about nearly enough is what it actually feels like when someone isn't just using your card number, but is actively living as you. My guest today is Brooklyn Lyons. She's 25, recently married, and by her own admission, had no particular expertise in fraud or cybersecurity before October of 2024. That changed when her car window was smashed in a parking lot, and her work bag, laptop, wallet, driver's license, and everything was gone by morning. What followed wasn't a quick nightmare with a clean ending. It stretched across months, multiple counties, a jail communication system, the dark web, and a wanted fugitive who dyed her hair to look more like the face on a stolen ID. Brooklyn didn't just sit with it. She pulled criminal records, reverse-searched phone numbers, tracked an inmate's transfers across four facilities, identified a suspect on her own, and eventually filed a civil lawsuit without an attorney. We talk about what it feels like when someone is pretending to be you, not just spending your money, but messaging people as you, signing up for accounts as you, building a life in your name. We also get into the specific steps she took to fight back, the tools she wishes she'd known about sooner, and what recovery actually looks like when the case isn't closed, and the person still hasn't been caught. Show Notes: [1:47] Brooklyn introduces herself as a 25-year-old from Texas with no prior experience in fraud or identity theft.[2:13] She describes moving to the DFW area after getting married in June 2024 and being aware of the high rate of car break-ins in the region.[3:32] Her car window is smashed overnight, and her work bag is stolen, containing her laptop, wallet, driver's license, and all her cards.[4:03] Brooklyn's immediate response is to freeze her credit with all three bureaus and cancel her cards within 10 to 15 minutes.[4:57] Despite locking everything down, her cards are maxed out, and a police report is filed with little follow-up from law enforcement.[5:12] A period of quiet follows before a letter arrives around Valentine's Day 2025 claiming she rented a U-Haul and never returned it.[5:48] Experian alerts her that her driver's license has been found on the dark web, arriving almost simultaneously with the U-Haul letter.[7:14] While checking USPS Informed Delivery for a wedding invitation, Brooklyn spots a certified letter from a county jail addressed to her with an inmate's name listed beneath hers.[8:28] She contacts the jail and discovers an inmate had listed her as his girlfriend when booked, requesting she pick up his belongings before a prison transfer.[9:53] Brooklyn looks up the inmate in the state conviction database and finds a record including identity theft, car burglary, organized crime, and credit card abuse of the elderly.[11:58] A jail investigator reveals that the inmate's girlfriend had created an account in Brooklyn's name using her driver's license photo, editing her own appearance to match Brooklyn's features.[14:02] Brooklyn traces the same pattern across multiple county jail facilities the inmate passed through, confirming the woman repeated the identity fraud at each one.[15:13] A detective confirms the woman has stolen or attempted to use 17 other identities, and that Brooklyn is the only one who has caught on so far.[16:52] Four police departments become involved, and Brooklyn begins coordinating with investigators across all of them through a shared email thread.[19:22] Pulling her credit report reveals phone numbers tied to the suspect, leading Brooklyn to discover PayPal accounts, Cash App profiles, and a Facebook page created in her name.[20:58] Brooklyn uses a PayPal password recovery prompt to identify the first three letters of the suspect's real name.[22:03] She requests all jail booking documents containing her name from every county involved and receives text message logs from one department.[22:33] Using a birthday and partial name found in the messages, Brooklyn searches mugshots.com and identifies the suspect herself, later getting vague confirmation from investigators.[24:38] Chris asks whether the suspect and inmate were in a relationship, and Brooklyn explains they appear to share a child and were trying to manage a custody situation.[27:57] Brooklyn investigates whether a Verizon phone number was tied to an account in her name and later finds the suspect's real email embedded in her electricity account profile.[29:27] Brooklyn details changing her driver's license four times throughout the ordeal and suspects the woman is using her information for utility accounts to avoid being found.[31:02] Two police departments issue arrest warrants for the suspect, but she remains at large and difficult to locate.[31:33] Brooklyn files a civil lawsuit on her own without an attorney, ...
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  • Inside Modern Fraud

    Inside Modern Fraud
    Feb 25 2026
    Fraud doesn't always announce itself with obvious warning signs. Quite often, it shows up wrapped inside something that feels routine — a purchase you've made before, a link that looks legitimate, a message that arrives at just the wrong moment. Nothing feels suspicious, so your guard stays down. By the time questions start forming, the transaction is already done. My guest today is Iremar Brayner. He's spent more than 15 years working in fraud prevention and risk management across payments, retail, ride-hailing, fintech, and digital marketplaces. In his role at G2A, he leads fraud strategy for one of the world's largest digital entertainment platforms, where speed, approval rates, and loss prevention are constantly pulling against each other. We discuss why scams continue to work despite smarter tools, how "friendly fraud" complicates the picture, and why digital goods create very different risk patterns than traditional retail. We also get into automation, AI-driven decisions, and what it really looks like to manage fraud in real time. Show Notes: [1:36] Iremar shares how his career in fraud prevention began, moving from bank customer service into reviewing suspicious transactions.[2:45] He explains why he completed law school but chose not to become a lawyer, and how legal training shaped his understanding of fraud psychology.[4:10] Fraud is framed as an emotional event, with urgency, financial stress, and excitement often lowering a person's defenses.[6:16] Digital marketplaces attract fraudsters due to low-cost items and products like gift cards that are easy to cash out.[7:10] The concept of card testing emerges, where stolen payment details are validated through small purchases.[8:05] Iremar discusses the rise of friendly fraud, where legitimate customers dispute transactions after receiving goods.[9:30] Major product launches, such as highly anticipated game releases, create predictable spikes in fraud risk.[11:05] Marketplace fraud requires managing risk on both sides, verifying sellers while monitoring buyers in real time.[12:40] He describes G2A's shift away from manual review toward fully automated transaction decisioning.[14:15] The tension between frictionless customer experience and effective fraud prevention is unpacked.[16:05] Automation and AI are positioned as essential tools for scaling fraud defenses without overwhelming operations.[18:10] AI's real impact is discussed: not changing fraud itself, but making attacks faster and more scalable.[20:05] Iremar explains why human judgment still plays a critical role alongside AI systems.[21:41] Fraud patterns differ across industries, illustrated through examples from ride-hailing platforms.[23:10] Abuse of referral and incentive programs reveals how self-referrals became a common fraud tactic.[24:40] Identity misuse by drivers highlights risks tied to document verification.[25:50] Face recognition and customer reporting become tools for detecting account misuse.[27:15] High-value luxury marketplaces introduce entirely different fraud and logistics challenges.[29:10] Practical consumer advice: buy from reliable sources, review refund policies, and question unrealistic pricing.[30:05] Seller protection strategies focus on accurate product descriptions and shipment tracking.[32:05] The most common complaints in marketplaces are items not received and items not as described.[33:20] Iremar recounts becoming a fraud victim after a fraudulent airline ticket charge.[35:00] A WhatsApp impersonation attempt using his photo targeted his mother.[36:10] Verification habits are emphasized as one of the strongest defenses against scams.[37:40] The risks of social media and account takeover scenarios are discussed.[39:30] Challenges around encouraging broader adoption of two-factor authentication.[40:05] Career advice for those interested in fraud prevention as a profession. Thanks for joining us on Easy Prey. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes and leave a nice review. Links and Resources: Podcast Web PageFacebook Pagewhatismyipaddress.comEasy Prey on InstagramEasy Prey on TwitterEasy Prey on LinkedInEasy Prey on YouTubeEasy Prey on PinterestIremar Brayner - LinkedInG2A
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  • Money Laundering

    Money Laundering
    Feb 18 2026
    Organized crime is often imagined as something violent, chaotic, and obvious. But today, it looks far more polished than that. It operates like a multinational business, spread across borders, built on trust networks, specialization, and efficiency rather than brute force. This episode looks at how modern scams, fraud, and money laundering actually work and why they're so hard to spot before serious damage is done. My guest is Geoff White, an investigative journalist who has spent decades covering organized crime, cybercrime, and financial fraud. His reporting has appeared on BBC News, Sky News, The Sunday Times, and other major outlets, and he is also the creator of The Lazarus Heist, the hit podcast and book series exploring North Korea's global hacking operations. His latest book, Rinsed, examines how technology has transformed the world of money laundering. We talk about how modern criminal networks are structured, why scams now rely on patience and psychology rather than speed, and how money laundering functions as a service industry that quietly supports fraud at scale. The conversation also explores why victims are sometimes unknowingly used to move stolen funds, how urgency is weaponized to override judgment, and why slowing down remains one of the most effective defenses people have. Show Notes: [01:08] Geoff shares his background and why the organized crime + technology overlap is where he's spent his career.[02:52] Why longer-form work (books, podcasts) is often the only way to explain complex crimes that don't fit into a quick news segment.[03:56] Old-school enforcement was violence; modern crime groups often can't use that when partners are anonymous and overseas.[04:23] The trust networks holding global crime together can be more fragile than people assume.[05:06] The strange "trust inside crime" dynamic especially in ransomware, where criminals must appear "reliable."[06:18] Competition today looks more like corporate rivalry than street violence, especially in ransomware affiliate ecosystems.[07:41] Do these groups evolve from traditional cartels or arise from new tech-native criminals? Geoff says it depends on the region.[09:58] The skill split of elite coders builds ransomware, while newer recruits use social engineering to get initial access.[11:34] Money laundering adapts fast with crypto, game currencies, NFTs while the core "service business" model stays the same.[12:46] The "cost" of laundering: fees can be extreme for newcomers, and lower for experienced players with connections.[13:53] A disturbing case where victims are daisy-chained to launder money and reinforce the romance-scam illusion.[15:12] Why money mules are treated as disposable and how many don't realize the seriousness until law enforcement shows up.[16:48] The tactic of letting victims withdraw a little money to make a platform feel legitimate and why it works so well.[18:09] Geoff connects today's tactics to classic con mechanics ("putting the mark on the send") and the psychology behind it.[19:22] Geoff describes seeing an "escalator scam" firsthand: small payouts early, then pressure to pay to "unlock" higher earnings.[21:51] The scary shift is that scams now look polished and patient, stretching across multiple channels and weeks (or longer).[23:12] The more we "self-custody" money and identity online, the more security responsibility shifts onto individuals.[24:32] A major crypto seizure case raises a messy question when seized assets grow in value, who gets the upside?[28:46] Geoff's practical defense: slow down on anything money-related, create space, and don't let urgency steer decisions.[31:17] Why today's scammers play the long game of months of relationship-building can lead to life-changing losses.[34:29] Repeat victimization: recovery scams and fake "investigators" often target people right after they've been hit.[36:08] "Traceable" doesn't mean "recoverable," why freezing and returning stolen crypto is legally and logistically hard.[38:44] UK reimbursement changes shift liability between sending and receiving banks but there are tradeoffs and open questions.[41:28] Geoff reacts to US payment quirks (card taken away, tip written in pen) and why it still surprises outsiders.[45:11] Closing advice is to learn from other people's stories and run "what would I do?" scenarios before a crisis hits. Thanks for joining us on Easy Prey. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes and leave a nice review. Links and Resources: Podcast Web PageFacebook Pagewhatismyipaddress.comEasy Prey on InstagramEasy Prey on TwitterEasy Prey on LinkedInEasy Prey on YouTubeEasy Prey on PinterestGeoff WhiteGeoff White - LinkedInGeoff White - Instagram Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks The Lazarus Heist Crime Dot Com: From Viruses to Vote Rigging, How Hacking Went Global
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  • Critical Infrastructure Risks

    Critical Infrastructure Risks
    Feb 11 2026

    Most cybersecurity conversations focus on stolen data, breached accounts, and attacks that live entirely on screens. This episode looks at a far more consequential threat: what happens when cyberattacks target the physical systems that keep society running. Power, water, transportation, and manufacturing. When those systems fail, the consequences aren't just digital. They're immediate, visible, and sometimes dangerous.

    My guest is Lesley Carhart, Technical Director of Incident Response at Dragos, a cybersecurity firm focused exclusively on protecting critical infrastructure. Lesley specializes in industrial control systems and operational technology, investigating real-world attacks against power plants, water systems, transportation networks, and industrial facilities built on aging, irreplaceable technology.

    We talk about why these environments are uniquely vulnerable, how ransomware groups and nation-state actors quietly gain long-term access, and why many compromises go undetected for years. The conversation also explores the limits of traditional cybersecurity thinking, the real-world constraints operators face, and what organizations can realistically do to improve security when failure isn't an option.

    Show Notes:
    • [01:30] Lesley Carhart is here and explains what operational technology is and why industrial systems are uniquely vulnerable
    • [03:40] How decades-old computers still run power plants, water systems, and transportation infrastructure
    • [06:10] Why industrial environments can't simply patch, upgrade, or shut systems down
    • [08:25] The mindset shift required when safety and continuity matter more than stopping an intrusion
    • [10:40] Why air-gapped systems are mostly a myth in modern critical infrastructure
    • [13:15] How remote access became unavoidable—and one of the biggest risk factors
    • [16:05] The three main threat categories facing industrial systems: ransomware, insiders, and nation-state actors
    • [18:45] Why ransomware is especially damaging in power, water, and manufacturing environments
    • [21:30] How nation-state attackers quietly establish footholds years before taking action
    • [24:20] Why many industrial compromises go undetected for months—or even years
    • [27:10] What incident response looks like when you can't just "pull the plug"
    • [30:05] The most common causes of industrial failures: human error, maintenance issues, and environment
    • [32:40] A surprising incident that looked like a nation-state attack—but wasn't
    • [34:55] Why critical infrastructure organizations often feel pressure to pay ransoms
    • [37:00] Practical starting steps for organizations with aging, mission-critical systems
    • [39:20] Advice for people interested in industrial cybersecurity and working with legacy technology
    • [42:10] Why mentorship matters and why Lesley chooses to give back to the field

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  • Familial Identity Theft

    Familial Identity Theft
    Feb 4 2026
    Identity theft is usually framed as an external threat. Hackers, data breaches, anonymous criminals operating somewhere far away. This episode looks at a much harder reality to face: identity theft that happens inside families, often quietly, over many years, and without immediate detection. The damage isn't just financial. It reshapes trust, relationships, and a person's sense of stability long before anyone realizes what's happening. My guest is Axton Betz-Hamilton, an associate professor of financial counseling and planning whose research focuses on familial and child identity theft. Her work is deeply personal. As a teenager, Axton discovered her own credit had been destroyed before she ever had a chance to build it, the result of identity theft that began when she was a child. Years later, she uncovered the truth behind who was responsible and how multiple generations were affected. We talk about how familial identity theft works, why it's so difficult to detect, and what recovery really looks like when the person who caused the harm was someone you trusted. The conversation covers the long road to rebuilding credit, the emotional fallout that often gets overlooked, and the practical steps people can take to protect themselves and their children before damage is done. Show Notes: [02:15] Axton Betz-Hamilton explains how her parents' identities were stolen in the early 1990s, before consumers had legal protections.[03:50] Discovering a 10-page credit report at age 19 and realizing her financial life was damaged before it began.[05:45] What it's like to learn your credit score is in the second percentile nationwide and why that realization changes everything.[07:10] How early frustration with identity theft shaped Axton's academic path and research focus.[09:05] The moment evidence surfaced pointing to a family member as the source of the identity theft.[10:45] Uncovering decades of fraudulent accounts affecting multiple generations within one family.[12:50] How grief abruptly shifted into investigation after learning the truth about who caused the harm.[15:20] The long, two-track process of disputing fraudulent credit while slowly rebuilding legitimate credit history.[17:40] Why some fraudulent accounts had to age off credit reports instead of being removed.[19:05] How isolation and manipulation can allow familial identity theft to continue undetected for years.[21:55] Exploring possible motivations behind the theft and how financial behaviors can repeat across generations.[23:10] The simplest way to detect identity theft is by regularly checking all three credit reports.[24:30] Why freezing your credit is one of the most effective and underused protection tools.[26:05] The importance of freezing children's credit to prevent damage that may not surface until adulthood.[28:00] How modern tools like IRS identity PINs reduce the risk of tax-related identity theft.[30:15] Using E-Verify freezes to prevent identity theft tied to employment and income.[33:10] The emotional impact of familial identity theft and why boundaries are often necessary for healing.[35:00] How family systems fracture when some members believe the victim and others defend the offender.[36:40] Why mental health support is a critical part of recovery, not an optional one.[38:00] The Identity Theft Resource Center as a comprehensive support option for victims navigating recovery. Thanks for joining us on Easy Prey. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes and leave a nice review. Links and Resources: Podcast Web PageFacebook Pagewhatismyipaddress.comEasy Prey on InstagramEasy Prey on TwitterEasy Prey on LinkedInEasy Prey on YouTubeEasy Prey on PinterestAxton Betz-Hamilton - South Dakota State UniversityAxton Betz-Hamilton - LinkedInAxton Betz-Hamiliton - FacebookIdentity Theft Resource CenterAnnual Credit Report IRS - Identity PinE-Verify
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  • Exploiting Trust (Part 2)

    Exploiting Trust (Part 2)
    Jan 28 2026
    Security failures rarely come from cutting-edge attacks or sophisticated tools. They happen in ordinary moments when someone holds a door, follows an instruction without questioning it, or finds a workaround that makes their day easier. Those small, human decisions are often the real entry points, and they tend to compound over time. This episode picks up the second half of our conversation on exploiting trust with FC Barker, a veteran ethical hacker and physical security expert known for legally breaking into banks, government buildings, and high-security facilities around the world. With more than 30 years of experience, FC explains why human behavior, not technology, is consistently the weakest link in security, and how his success in physical breaches almost always depends on people trying to be helpful rather than malicious. The stories he shares range from quietly unsettling to darkly funny, but they all point to the same pattern: security controls fail when they don't account for how people actually work. The discussion goes deeper into why trust, politeness, and unquestioned compliance undermine defenses, how workplace culture encourages risky shortcuts, and what actually helps reduce risk without fear, blame, or expensive overengineering. Show Notes: [00:00] FC explains why most physical security breaches succeed because someone is trying to be helpful, not because of technical skill.[02:07] His background in cybersecurity and how physical security testing grew out of traditional penetration testing work.[04:26] Why trauma and hypervigilance can sharpen situational awareness in security professionals.[08:55] Early physical security failures are discussed, including poorly placed cameras and people casually sharing sensitive information.[11:06] FC explains how security controls that interfere with work often lead employees to find unsafe workarounds.[13:24] A story illustrates how even air-gapped systems fail when people move data for convenience.[15:32] Trust and rule-following culture are explored as major contributors to physical access failures.[16:40] FC shares how his near-perfect success rate comes from people helping him gain access without questioning authority.[17:08] He recounts an incident where employees helped him remove multiple computers from a secure building.[19:40] A failed engagement is described where internal resistance led to police being called unnecessarily.[24:00] FC tells the story of accessing a vault and removing a gold bar during a test unknown to senior executives.[26:53] The preparation required for high-risk physical tests, including staged kidnappings, is explained.[31:50] Practical advice begins with learning to think like an attacker when assessing your own home or workplace.[34:02] Situational awareness is discussed as a key deterrent against both physical crime and social engineering.[36:13] FC explains why security cameras are more useful for investigation than prevention, especially in offices.[37:41] Camera placement mistakes are covered, including mounting cameras within easy reach.[39:06] The importance of not advertising valuables or security measures is emphasized.[41:30] FC discusses personal vigilance and why monitoring finances and subscriptions matters.[44:00] His book How I Rob Banks is discussed, including the real stories and lessons it contains.[46:06] FC explains how his company chooses clients and why culture change is a major part of their work.[50:29] Security improves when systems are designed around real human behavior. Thanks for joining us on Easy Prey. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes and leave a nice review. Links and Resources: Podcast Web PageFacebook Pagewhatismyipaddress.comEasy Prey on InstagramEasy Prey on TwitterEasy Prey on LinkedInEasy Prey on YouTubeEasy Prey on PinterestCygentaDr. Jessica BarkerFC aka Freakyclown - LinkedIn How I Rob Banks: And Other Such Places
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