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Divergent Conversations

Divergent Conversations

De: Megan Anna Neff & Patrick Casale
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Dr. Megan Neff and Patrick Casale are two Neurodivergent therapists in a neurotypical world. During this podcast, they’ll talk about their own personal experiences as Autistic-ADHDers. They will reflect on their lived experience as AuDHD mental health professionals, and entrepreneurs, as well as offer clinical guidance, and support. Episodes will be conversational in nature, and they’ll interview other ND Folx to amplify the voices of other neurodivergent advocates and individuals as they share their authentic stories. New episodes will come out weekly, on all major platforms. Megan told Patrick, ”I’ll bring the chaos, You organize it.” This perfectly sums up their working relationship and friendship. Reflections of two neurodivergent clinicians. Raw, Vulnerable, Affirmative As Hell. Follow on instagram.com/divergentconversations Topics include Autism, ADHD, Sleep struggles, Chronic Illness, RSD, Alexithymia, Autistic burnout, Intersectionality, Neuroqueer, Creativity, OCD, Neurodivergence, Affirming Language, Small business ownership, Unpacking Internalized Ableism, and so much more. If you love the podcast, please leave us a 5 star review https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/divergent-conversations/id1662009631 Visit our website for all podcast episodes and sponsorship opportunities divergentpod.com Legal Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be considered medical advice. Always consult a qualified healthcare provider or medical professional for personalized advice regarding any medical condition or treatment.Copyright 2022 All rights reserved. Ciencia Ciencias Sociales Economía Gestión y Liderazgo Higiene y Vida Saludable Liderazgo Psicología Psicología y Salud Mental
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  • Episode 120 (Season 3): Burnout City Finale: Boundaries, Self-Advocacy, and Accommodations
    Aug 22 2025

    Advocating for your needs and setting boundaries as a neurodivergent person can be incredibly challenging—especially in environments that don’t always understand or prioritize accommodations for invisible disabilities. Navigating burnout and building a life that supports your well-being is not just about self-care; it’s about learning how to advocate for yourself in ways that are sustainable and affirming.

    In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, discuss the nuanced process of seeking and setting up accommodations, practicing self-advocacy, and developing boundaries to prevent or recover from burnout. They explore both the practical strategies and deeper psychological hurdles involved—like the difficulty of taking your own needs seriously, the risk and complexity of self-disclosure, and the tricky transition away from people-pleasing patterns. They also discuss useful resources, including boundary scripts, strategies for partial self-disclosure, and the importance of community support, all woven together with personal anecdotes and real-life examples.

    Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:

    1. Discover pragmatic tools and resources for pursuing both formal and self-created accommodations in work, education, and personal life—including boundary scripts and practical self-disclosure tips tailored for neurodivergent needs.
    2. Gain a deeper understanding of the emotional complexities that make self-advocacy and boundary-setting so hard, especially for those who have long relied on people-pleasing or have experienced invalidation and isolation.
    3. Hear candid, relatable stories from two AuDHD clinicians that not only validate the challenges of living in a neurotypical world, but also offer hope, humor, and actionable support for building a burnout-resilient life.

    If you’ve ever struggled to honor your needs or felt overwhelmed by the thought of advocating for yourself, this episode breaks down the barriers with compassion, lived experience, and expert guidance. Get real-world insights and encouragement to take your needs seriously and begin building a life that supports your neurodivergent identity.

    Resources

    • Neurodivergent Insights Autistic Masking Workbook: neurodivergentinsights.com/autistic-masking
    • Neurodivergent Insights Resource on Autistic Burnout: neurodivergentinsights.com/burnout-resources
    • The Autistic Burnout Workbook by Dr. Megan Anna Neff: simonandschuster.com/books/The-Autistic-Burnout-Workbook/Megan-Anna-Neff/9781507223062
    • Check out Neurodivergent Insights’ Library of Boundary Scripts (free resource)
    •  Job Accommodations Network (JAN): askjan.org

    Divergent Conversations Podcast Episodes:

    • Episode 2: Autistic Burnout (divergentpod.com/2)
    • Episode 47: Autistic Burnout (Part 2): A Deep Dive Into The Diversity of Burnout (
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  • Episode 119 (Season 3): AuDHD Burnout City: How Autistic and ADHD Burnout Collide and Compensate
    Aug 15 2025

    ADHD and Autistic burnout can feel like an endless cycle of overwhelm, exhaustion, and frustration—especially for those who live at the intersection of both identities. Many AuDHD individuals struggle to distinguish between ADHD burnout and autistic burnout, but understanding their overlap and unique challenges is crucial to finding compassionate, practical ways to support our mental health.

    In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, discuss the unique qualities of AuDHD burnout. They reflect on their own lived experiences, explore the differences and intersections between ADHD and Autistic burnout, discuss why traditional accommodations often fall short, and share insight on how burnout can lead to shame, depression, and executive function collapse. Through vulnerable storytelling, tangible metaphors, and thoughtful humor, they invite listeners to rethink both self-care and community support in navigating burnout.

    Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:

    1. Gain clarity on the nuances between ADHD burnout, Autistic burnout, and their combined impact for AuDHD burnout—plus learn why academic literature often overlooks the lived reality of those with dual neurotypes.
    2. Hear relatable and honest discussions about executive dysfunction, shame spirals, depression risk, and the paradox of needing energy to recover from exhaustion, especially within the context of daily life and work.
    3. Take away practical frameworks and metaphors (including animal critter analogies and the “burnout city”) that offer new language for self-understanding, along with concrete ideas for future-proofing your life against burnout as an AuDHD individual.

    If you’re navigating the relentless push-pull of ADHD and Autistic traits, or supporting someone who is, this conversation will help you feel seen and provide tools for building more resilient self-care. Listen now for validation, empathy, and practical insight on surviving—and even softening—the cycle of AuDHD burnout.

    Resources

    • Neurodivergent Insights Autistic Masking Workbook: neurodivergentinsights.com/autistic-masking
    • Neurodivergent Insights Resource on Autistic Burnout: neurodivergentinsights.com/burnout-resources
    • The Autistic Burnout Workbook by Dr. Megan Anna Neff: simonandschuster.com/books/The-Autistic-Burnout-Workbook/Megan-Anna-Neff/9781507223062
    • Check out Neurodivergent Insights’ Library of Boundary Scripts (free resource)

    Divergent Conversations Podcast Episodes:

    • Episode 2: Autistic Burnout (divergentpod.com/2)
    • Episode 47: Autistic Burnout (Part 2): A Deep Dive Into The Diversity of Burnout (divergentpod.com/47)

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  • Episode 118 (Season 3): Autistic Burnout City: Life When the Mask Comes Off
    Aug 8 2025

    Burnout can hit hard for late-diagnosed autistic and ADHD adults, especially when the energy cost of masking becomes too much to bear. Dropping the mask and stepping into authenticity brings both relief and upheaval, raising new challenges that aren’t always easy to navigate alone.

    In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, discuss the intricate relationship between masking, unmasking, and Autistic burnout. They use vivid metaphors and real-life examples to depict how masking acts as a bridge to burnout city, discuss the destabilizing yet liberating process of unmasking, and share personal stories of re-discovering their bodies, needs, and boundaries after years of suppressing them. They also offer practical suggestions for finding moments of authentic self-expression, especially when safety and acceptance aren't always possible.

    Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:

    1. Gain a clear, relatable understanding of how masking—often invisible to even ourselves—contributes to burnout and why unmasking can feel disorienting but ultimately healing.
    2. Hear honest stories from Patrick and Megan Anna about the messy realities and sometimes victories of post-discovery life, including changes in relationships, energy management, and self-acceptance.
    3. Learn small, actionable strategies for unmasking safely, rebuilding trust in your body, and advocating for your needs, even if it’s just a few minutes each day.

    If you’ve been struggling with burnout or questioning why life feels harder after discovering you’re Autistic or ADHD, this episode offers validation, insight, and gentle guidance through the journey.

    Resources

    • Neurodivergent Insights Autistic Masking Workbook: neurodivergentinsights.com/autistic-masking
    • Neurodivergent Insights Resource on Autistic Burnout: neurodivergentinsights.com/burnout-resources
    • The Autistic Burnout Workbook by Dr. Megan Anna Neff: simonandschuster.com/books/The-Autistic-Burnout-Workbook/Megan-Anna-Neff/9781507223062
    • Check out Neurodivergent Insights’ Library of Boundary Scripts (free resource)

    Divergent Conversations Podcast Episodes:

    • Episode 2: Autistic Burnout (divergentpod.com/2)
    • Episode 47: Autistic Burnout (Part 2): A Deep Dive Into The Diversity of Burnout (divergentpod.com/47)

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Fellow mental health provider with ADHD 👋🏻 Every moment through this first episode has been something I have personally struggled with and seen so many other folx who are also neurodivergent struggle with in their own lives. Must listen! 10/10!

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I started listening to these after Megan Neff was a guest on another ADHD podcast & I fell in love with her description on being adhd & autistic! I feel a strong connection to every story on here & I’m completely fascinated by everything you’re speaking. I can’t stop wondering if I’m also Autistic because I’m just awkwardly messed up😅 I’m ADHD inattentive type but something is still missing. I don’t like writing because it’s to much explaining….. point is, this podcast is doing great & very fascinating! Thanks guys for all the info.

So interesting & relatable!

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