In a new favorite episode, we asked Master Certified Coach trainer and author, Dr. Marcia Reynolds: how do we coach the person, not the problem? And why business leaders ought to join coaches in this highly-rewarding and joyous activity.

We met with Marcia a week after her second edition of "Coach the Person, Not the Problem" became a bestseller on Amazon.

Marcia shares her love for taking coaching slow (especially in the beginning), noticing everything, interrupting (as needed) and staying blissfully curious. We hear about the writing of her second edition (and all that entails) and about her love for coaching, that hasn't faded one bit since entering the field decades ago.

You can find Marcia on LinkedIn here and the new second edition of "Coach the Person, Not the Problem, a Guide to Reflective Inquiry" on Amazon here. Visit Covisioning LLC here.

Your show host, Debbi Gardiner McCullough, is a communications coach for Fortune 100/500 leaders, a former reporter for the Guardian, the Economist, and the FT of London. Book her for coaching, training or ICF mentoring here. Join her active listening and communications workshops on Maven here and here.

Dr. Matt Barney is a true scientist practitioner and an entrepreneur in the field of measurement and analysis. His most recent tool, the TruMind.ai Leader and Coach Assessment, he feels supremely hopeful about, because it helps coaches help their clients see and note their progress, something that's otherwise hard to quantify and measure.

"Reviews tell us that most coaching outcomes are measured by one metric alone: whether the executive liked the coach," he notes. "That's not enough. We need more ROI."

In an interview from his Philippines base, we hear of Matt's love for inventing, coaching, and the hope he feels for the coaching industry and its 60,000+ ICF coaches with AI tools like his. At a time when clients need to see and hear the value of human coaching, we've a great incentive to try.

You can find Matt Barney on LinkedIn and TruMind.ai here.

You can find a video of our interview on YouTube here.

Your show host, Debbi Gardiner McCullough, is a communications coach for Google PMs through Fortune 100 leaders, a former reporter for the Guardian, the Economist, and the FT of London. Book her for coaching, training or ICF mentoring here. Join her active listening and communications workshops on Maven here and here, with a new Listen Like a Boss coming soon.

I certified as a Master Certified Coach two weeks ago, ending a two-year long odyssey in mindfulness, active listening, and perfectionistic goal setting. Feels amazing finally reaching that top 4% of ICF certified Master Certified Coaches.

This week's episode reads from my Substack post on this victory and especially the growth I felt with my comfort with silence. I stayed comfortably silent with my client in the recordings I submitted ICF assessors for over a minute.

Most of us don't pause for longer than a second in a given conversation (and I was one of them, prior to my coaching MCC experience). I've since evolved and found I can even delight in extended pauses, because that's where the magic begins.

You can join the LinkedIn post here.

Your show host, Debbi Gardiner McCullough, is a communications coach for Google PMs through Fortune 100 leaders, a former reporter for the Guardian, the Economist, and the FT of London. Book her for coaching, training or ICF mentoring here. Join her active listening and communications workshops on Maven here and here, with a new Listen Like a Boss coming soon.