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If “No One is Above the Law,” then everyone is beneath it. Beneath the Law is a frank discussion between two lawyers who have lived and breathed the legal system in Canada for over 30 years.

In this podcast hosts Stephen Thiele and Gavin Tighe of Gardiner Roberts, examine the arguments made in some highly contentious, and public cases, with a focus on the intersection between law and politics and where courtrooms become part of the political arena. In each episode Beneath the Law digs into interesting and current legal topics or legal battles and provides insight and commentary on the law and its application in our society.

Law is at its core the expression of the fundamental framework of any organized society – it is the fine print of the social contract. Courts play a fundamental role in any democracy, getting underneath the surface and beneath the law requires an understanding of not only what courts are doing but why.

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  • Absolute Privilege or Absolute Overreach: The Sex Tape That Broke Litigation Immunity
    Mar 31 2026

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    A hidden camera, a secret recording, and a courtroom showdown.

    Stephen Thiele and Gavin Tighe unpack a shocking case where a surreptitious sex tape made its way into a family law proceeding, raising serious legal and ethical questions.

    What begins as an acrimonious separation quickly escalates into a debate about privacy, voyeurism, and the limits of legal protection under the doctrine of absolute privilege.

    They explore whether lawyers can be held accountable for distributing deeply personal and arguably irrelevant material in court, and how the justice system balances open litigation with protecting individuals from harm.

    With sharp insights and candid commentary, this “spicy” episode dives into the intersection of family law, professional conduct, and privacy rights, leaving listeners questioning where legal immunity should end.


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    1:47 What is the doctrine of absolute privilege and how does it protect conduct in legal proceedings?

    7:36 Why did the first instance judge refuse to strike the claim against the lawyers?

    10:36 What makes this case so remarkable in terms of how the lawyers handled the evidence?

    16:52 Can opposing lawyers ever owe a duty of care to the other side in a lawsuit?

    19:48 Should personal cost awards against lawyers be the remedy when advocacy crosses the ethical line?

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    23 m
  • The Tumbler Ridge Tragedy: Is AI Above the Law?
    Mar 17 2026

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    What happens when a technology designed to serve humanity becomes complicit in its destruction?

    This episode confronts one of the most unsettling legal frontiers of our time: the intersection of artificial intelligence, tort liability, and the duty to warn.

    Gavin Tighe and Stephen Thiele examine the horrific mass shooting in Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia where a shooter who had repeatedly told ChatGPT of their violent intentions killed eight people, including five children, and ask whether the company bears legal responsibility for its silence.

    Drawing on foundational principles of Canadian law, including reasonably foreseeable harm and duty of care, Gavin and Stephen explore whether AI platforms must be held to the same standards as the human professionals they increasingly seek to replace.

    From unauthorized practice of law to the collapse of solicitor-client privilege, this episode is essential listening for anyone navigating the brave new legal world of artificial intelligence.


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    3:30 What duty of care did ChatGPT owe the victims of the Tumbler Ridge shooting?

    5:39 How does AI's role as a virtual therapist create professional legal obligations?

    9:09 Why does basic tort law apply when a company has knowledge of foreseeable harm?

    11:22 What does the Westray Mines case reveal about corporate liability for inaction?

    17:04 How does using ChatGPT destroy solicitor-client privilege in Canadian litigation?

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    27 m
  • Can Government Declare an Emergency to Silence Dissent?
    Mar 3 2026

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    What happens when a government turns its most powerful emergency legislation against its own citizens for honking horns?

    This episode examines one of the most consequential constitutional rulings in recent Canadian legal history: the Federal Court of Appeal's decision finding that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's invocation of the Emergencies Act against the 2022 Freedom Convoy protest was unlawful.

    Gavin Tighe and Stephen Thiele dissect the court's rigorous analysis of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, specifically the Section 2 protections for political speech and Section 8 protections against unreasonable search and seizure, and ask the harder question: when government wields extraordinary power and achieves its objectives, does a court ruling after the fact actually matter?


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    2:17 What qualifies as a true national emergency in Canada?
    5:43 Why was the Emergencies Act invoked during the Freedom Convoy protests?9:31 Why did the Federal Court rule the Emergencies Act was used improperly?
    17:31 Can the government freeze your bank account for supporting a protest?
    22:46 Should extreme government powers ever be used to stop civil disobedience?

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    32 m
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