In this episode, I sit down with Ryan Beck, co-founder of Pray.com, a $30M platform reaching 10M people a month, to talk about his journey from jail at 18 to building one of the most impactful companies in the faith and creator space.

We dive into Ryan’s backstory, how he and his co-founders built Pray.com, and the systems churches use that modern creators can learn from. Ryan also shares lessons on building double flywheels, turning sermons into scalable content, and how AI is transforming faith-based media.

If you want to understand how to scale community, content, and revenue with timeless principles, this episode is for you.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:00 Ryan’s journey from jail to a new path
05:15 Studying ministry, computer science, and philosophy
09:20 From nonprofits to launching Pray.com
13:05 How Pray.com scaled to 19M downloads
16:21 The double flywheel model of B2C and B2B
21:29 Pastors as the most prolific content creators
25:15 Derivative content and monetization strategies
29:41 What creators can learn from in-person community
34:10 Dave Ramsey and mission-driven business models
40:12 Evergreen content and repurposing systems
47:00 How Pray.com leverages AI for translation and media
55:10 Building AI Bible and reimagining storytelling
01:00:00 Why email is still the number one channel for creators

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Pray.com: https://www.pray.com
AI Bible: https://www.aibible.com
Dave Ramsey: https://www.ramseysolutions.com
Kit: https://www.kit.com

In this episode, I sit down with Caitlin Copple for a coaching session to map out how she can scale her PR agency, Full Swing, from $1.2M to $5M by shifting from custom services to scalable productized offers.

We dive into why retainers cap growth, how to package services into clear visibility outcomes, and the low-overhead path to building a multi-million dollar agency.

Caitlin also shares the challenges of managing a team, navigating growth plateaus, and how to design offers that scale without burning out.

If you want to grow a services business into a scalable, strategy-first agency, this episode is a blueprint.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:10 The challenge of scaling a PR agency past $1M
05:28 Why retainers cap growth potential
09:22 Turning strategy into a scalable product
14:33 Building the first version of a productized offer
19:18 Pricing visibility outcomes instead of hours
23:41 The mindset shift for moving beyond custom services
28:05 Designing a low-overhead path to $5M
33:27 Structuring a scalable offer ladder
39:15 Simplifying client delivery without losing value
44:58 The role of personal brand in agency growth
50:10 How to transition clients from retainer to productized model
54:46 Setting up the systems to sustain scale
01:00:12 Final coaching takeaways

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Website: https://fullswingpr.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caitlincopple
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Featured in this episode:
Full Swing PR: https://fullswingpr.com
Kit: https://www.kit.com

In this episode, I sit down with Pat Flynn, entrepreneur, podcaster, and founder of Smart Passive Income, to talk about how creators can build long-term, resilient businesses by putting relationships and community first.

We dive into how Pat went from architect to online entrepreneur, his journey to building multiple 7-figure income streams, and why his approach has always focused on trust before transactions.

Pat also shares his lessons from podcasting for over a decade, how he’s embracing new platforms like YouTube Shorts, and his strategies for staying relevant in a fast-changing digital world.

If you want to build a creator business that stands the test of time, this episode is for you.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:00 How Pat went from architect to entrepreneur
06:28 Starting Smart Passive Income and finding his niche
10:45 The importance of serving before selling
15:14 Why Pat doubled down on podcasting
20:37 Building multiple streams of income
26:52 Lessons from over a decade of audience building
32:11 How to stay relevant as platforms evolve
38:09 Experimenting with YouTube Shorts and video content
43:25 Balancing family, business, and creative projects
49:18 The key to long-term audience trust
55:03 Final thoughts and takeaways

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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PatFlynn
Podcast: https://www.smartpassiveincome.com/shows/spi
Pat Flynn's Book "Lean Learning": https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/166802764X?tag=spimedia2020-21&keywords=lean%20learning%20pat%20flynn&geniuslink=true

Featured in this episode:
Smart Passive Income: https://www.smartpassiveincome.com
The Smart Passive Income Podcast: https://www.smartpassiveincome.com/shows/spi
Pat Flynn’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PatFlynn
Pat Flynn's Pokémon YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@deeppocketmonster
Kit: https://www.kit.com
Pat Flynn's Book "Lean Learning": https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/166802764X?tag=spimedia2020-21&keywords=lean%20learning%20pat%20flynn&geniuslink=true

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