Bret is joined by Andrew Tunall, the President and Chief Product Officer at Embrace, to discuss his prediction that we’ll all start shipping non-QA'd code (buggier code in production) and QA will need to be replaced with better observability.

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Embrace is a mobile observability platform company that I first met at KubeCon London this year. Their pitch was that mobile apps were ready for the full observability stack and that we now have SDKs to let mobile dev teams integrate with the same tools that we platform engineers and DevOps people and operators have been building and enjoying for years now. I wanted to hear from observability experts on how they think this is all going to shake out.

★Show Links★
Embrace website
Embrace GitHub repository
Embrace docs

Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/HHpn3OqMrbU

Creators & Guests

• Cristi Cotovan - Editor
• Bret Fisher - Host
• Beth Fisher - Producer
• Andrew Tunall - Guest

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• (00:00) - Intro
• (03:00) - AI in QA and Software Development
• (07:25) - Challenges and Cultural Shifts in AI-Driven Development
• (19:27) - Real-World Examples and Observations
• (26:01) - Future of AI in Software Engineering
• (26:49) - Building Reliable Software
• (27:39) - Tools and Strategies for Measuring Reliability
• (28:39) - Importance of Observability
• (35:52) - Enhancing Mobile App Observability
• (42:41) - Changing Behaviors in Observability

The Daytona founders - Ivan Burazin and Vedran Jukic - discuss their pivot to an AI agent cloud.
We dig into the new infrastructure requirements of developing agents that need their own sandboxes to operate in.

A year ago, we had them on to talk about Daytona giving us remote development environments for humans, and they have now pivoted the company to focusing on providing cloud hosting environments for AI agents to operate.

I suspect this is something we're all gonna eventually need to tackle as we work to automate more of our software engineering. So we spend time breaking down the concepts and the real world needs of humans developing agents, and then the needs of AI that require places to run their own tools in code.

Check out the video podcast version here https://youtu.be/l8LBqDUwtV8

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Creators & Guests

• Cristi Cotovan - Editor
• Bret Fisher - Host
• Beth Fisher - Producer
• Ivan Burazin - Guest
• Vedran Jukic - Guest

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• (00:00) - Intro
• (07:45) - Daytona's Sandbox Technology
• (14:34) - Practical Applications and Use Cases
• (16:06) - Security and Isolation in AI Agents
• (19:36) - Start Up Times for Sandboxing and Kubernetes
• (24:28) - Daytona vs Lambda
• (32:43) - Rogue Models and Isolation
• (36:31) - Humanless Operations and the Future of DevOps
• (48:54) - SDK vs MCP
• (51:52) - Human in the Loop
• (52:50) - Daytona: Open Source vs Product Offering

Julián Duque from Heroku joins me to explain and demo their new AI platform.

Check out the video podcast version here https://youtu.be/BGqlLZHdRDs

🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.
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Creators & Guests

• Cristi Cotovan - Editor
• Bret Fisher - Host
• Beth Fisher - Producer
• Julián Duque - Guest

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• (00:00) - Introduction
• (06:49) - Deep Dive into Heroku's AI Capabilities
• (16:00) - Heroku MCP server
• (30:04) - Describing MCP Tool Interactions
• (32:25) - DevOps Automation with Heroku MCP server
• (38:39) - Heroku AI and Future Prospects