# 123, OTOH, Authors and national Braver Angels leaders Doug Teschner and Beth Malow, , Pt 1, 8-22-25

April and Glen have a conversation with fellow Braver Angels and national leaders Doug Teschner and Beth Malow, whose new book, "Beyond the Politics of Contempt: Practical Steps to Build Positive Relationships in Divided Times," revolves around addressing the increasing political polarization and divisiveness in the United States and offering practical steps to foster positive relationships and civil discourse. Key discussions in part 1 include the importance of disagreement in a democracy, as it is a natural and necessary step toward finding solutions. However, Doug cautions that "when we dehumanize people" by calling them "evil," "stupid," or "not a patriot," this prevents productive engagement and leads to an "us versus them mentality,” even dehumanization, which degrades a healthy democracy. A crucial first step is for individuals to identify their core values and then reflect on whether their actions and words, especially when discussing political opponents, align with those values. "Are you living your values?" Beth expresses concern that in our current environment, the "exhausted majority" have withdrawn into their bubbles and silo and has become apathetic. Their book aims to inspire these individuals to return to a healthy form of democratic and societal engagement.