This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Michael Turner, founder of the disruptive record label Rebellion. Turner shares how he’s building a modern music company by leveraging viral marketing, short-form video, and niche communities to help independent artists break through without relying on traditional gatekeepers.

In this episode, Turner breaks down how viral hits are engineered through tastemaker networks and micro-influencers, how artists track fan conversion across platforms, and why touring and deal structures are evolving outside the traditional label system. They also discuss royalties, distribution, and AI-generated music—and why Turner believes we’re entering a golden era for those independent artists willing to adapt.

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Chapters

00:00 - From Artist to Rebellion Founder

05:48 - Early Spotify Virality & Indie Strategy

08:17 - From Algorithms to TikTok Discovery

13:32 - Engineering Viral Campaigns

18:38 - Metrics That Matter Beyond Streams

21:36 - Turning Virality Into Ticket Sales

24:13 - New Touring Models for Indie Artists

34:04 - Building the Modern Indie Ecosystem

43:01 - AI’s Impact on the Music Industry

48:32 - Signing Artists in the Indie Era

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids-Ergas

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Brian Hobbs and Dev Sherlock from South by Southwest (SXSW). Brian, VP of Music, has been at SXSW since 2012, helping shape the festival’s music programming and expand its sound, especially in hip hop and global scenes. Dev is the Director of Music at the festival. He plays a key role in building the lineup and working directly with artists, managers, and industry teams navigating the SXSW landscape.

In this episode, we break down what SXSW actually is, and whether it makes sense for you and your career. Dev and Brian discuss how this year is massively different than years past, what the real purpose of “South By” is, and how to approach it with a smart strategy (instead of just showing up and hoping for the best). We get real about networking—what that actually looks like at SXSW—and how artists, managers, and other industry folks can make the most of their experience. For those thinking about applying to official showcases, Brian and Dev walk through the submission process, and what their team is really looking for when they book artists. If you’re going to SXSW (or even thinking about it) listen to this episode first.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to South by Southwest

02:14 Changes in the Festival Structure

05:43 The Overlap of Music and Tech

08:46 The Role of Live Music Discovery

11:22 Business Opportunities at South by Southwest

19:05 Navigating Official and Unofficial Showcases

23:18 Monetizing Opportunities for Artists

27:58 The Global Impact of the Irish Diaspora

29:48 Travel Concerns for International Artists

30:41 Booking Artists for South by Southwest

34:55 The Application Process Explained

37:57 The Fluid Nature of Artist Bookings

41:42 Understanding Compensation Models

43:52 The Conference Experience at South by Southwest

45:52 Networking Tips for Artists

50:57 Defining Success in the Music Industry

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids-Ergas

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Aaron Greene and Neal O’Connor of Slush Management, the artist-first team behind Porter Robinson, Eden, Jai Wolf, and more. Slush has helped their artists generate billions of streams, sell millions of tickets, and craft long-term careers rooted in creativity rather than quick wins. With 15 years of experience across touring, branding, and global fan development, they’ve become leaders in sustainable artist strategy and innovative experiential storytelling.

In this episode, Ari Neal and Aaron dive into what modern artist development truly looks like. From building immersive worlds to cultivating real, lasting fan communities beyond vanity metrics, Neal and Aaron share how managers decide when an artist is ready for representation, why social media isn’t the only path to growth, and how long-term strategy beats short-term virality every time. The conversation also covers label paths (self-release, indie, major), when to tour, how support slots actually happen, and the importance of meaningful experiences. Hint: music videos might be more important than most folks realize.

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05:58 – What “world-building” means for modern artists

08:12 – How Porter Robinson developed his immersive universe

12:00 – Building an entire festival world with Disney-level partners

16:00 – Artist development: when an artist is ready for management

18:20 – Why immediacy is a trap & long-term growth matters

20:35 – Deepening 100 true fans vs. chasing viral moments

27:45 – Majors vs. indies vs. self-releasing: what actually works

31:55 – The real purpose of music videos in 2025

36:50 – Touring strategy: when to headline, when to support

39:20 – How artists actually get support slots

42:55 – What “making it” means in the new music business

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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