Why do churches with sincere faith, gifted leaders, and strong theology still split?

In this powerful episode of the Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast, Pete Scazzero exposes a hard truth many leaders have experienced but rarely name: church fractures are rarely about doctrine or vision—they are about formation.

Drawing from decades of pastoral leadership and personal failure, Pete explains why spiritual maturity without emotional maturity is unsustainable. Churches don’t split because people don’t love Jesus. They split because leaders and communities lack the emotionally healthy skills needed to love one another well under pressure, conflict, disappointment, and power dynamics.

This episode explores why skills like incarnational listening, clarifying expectations, understanding how family history shapes leadership, and engaging in clean conflict are essential for healthy culture. Pete shares stories from his own leadership journey, including a painful church split that could have been prevented if these skills had been in place.

If you’re a pastor or leader longing to build a church culture that thrives—not just for a season, but for generations—this episode offers wisdom, hope, and a clear next step forward.

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The SEHL is a 16-week online course for leaders who want to deepen their life with Jesus while gaining practical tools to disciple others. Designed to help foster a healthy, sustainable ministry culture, the course includes teaching, guided practices, and small-group conversations, and live Zoom sessions with the EHD team.

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Around the world, churches are working hard to make disciples, lead faithfully, and impact their communities. Yet many leaders are exhausted, relationships are strained, and spiritual growth feels shallow or stalled. Why?

In this episode, Pete Scazzero addresses a core truth that often goes unnamed: emotional health is the missing link in the global church. Drawing from his own painful leadership crisis and decades of ministry experience, Pete explains why it’s impossible to be spiritually mature while remaining emotionally immature. He explores how unaddressed emotional issues limit discipleship, distort leadership, and quietly undermine the church’s witness—no matter how strong our theology or vision may be.

In this conversation, Pete unpacks:

• Why emotional health is foundational—not optional—to spiritual maturity
• How cultural, theological, and leadership blind spots keep the church stuck
• The biblical and theological roots of emotionally healthy spirituality
• What emotionally healthy leadership looks like in real-life ministry
• How redefining success can transform churches and communities

Pete challenges leaders to slow down, go beneath the surface, and embrace emotional health as God’s pathway to deeper transformation—personally, relationally, and globally.
If you long to see a healthier, more Christlike church—and know it must start with you—this episode will reframe how you think about discipleship, leadership, and success.

Listen now and take your next step toward building emotionally healthy leaders and churches around the world.

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The SEHL is a 16-week online course for leaders who want to deepen their life with Jesus while gaining practical tools to disciple others. Designed to help foster a healthy, sustainable ministry culture, the course includes teaching, guided practices, and small-group conversations, and live Zoom sessions with the EHD team.

Apply by February 15
https://www.emotionallyhealthy.org/leadershipschool/

As leaders, we want to make wise, Spirit-led decisions that move our ministries forward. But without realizing it, we often fall into patterns of planning that keep us stuck—repeating the same mistakes year after year.

In this episode, Pete Scazzero gets painfully honest about the five planning mistakes that hindered him for years—and how these missteps continue to trap leaders today:

1. Insufficiently preparing
2. Flippantly defining success
3. Ignoring the most important work—listening to Jesus together
4. Skimming on development
5. Failing to anchor vision in calendars, limits, and next steps

Pete shares the lessons he’s learned the hard way through decades of leadership in the local church and Emotionally Healthy Discipleship. With clarity, candor, and practical wisdom, he offers a better way forward—one that’s rooted in prayerful discernment, emotional maturity, and thoughtful preparation.

If you're tired of spinning your wheels and ready to do the deeper work of strategic planning in God's way, this episode is for you.
Listen now and take your next step toward leading with greater clarity, peace, and purpose.

Resources & Links Mentioned:
Free EH Leader Planning & Decision-Making Guide: https://www.emotionallyhealthy.org/leader
EH School of Leadership: https://www.emotionallyhealthy.org/school
Next EH Webinar: https://www.emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar

The SEHL is a 16-week online course for leaders who want to deepen their life with Jesus while gaining practical tools to disciple others. Designed to help foster a healthy, sustainable ministry culture, the course includes teaching, guided practices, and small-group conversations, and live Zoom sessions with the EHD team.

Apply by February 15
https://www.emotionallyhealthy.org/leadershipschool/