What if heaven isn't a distant destination — but a different dimension that's closer than we think?

In this conversation, Jason sits down with theologian, pastor, and author Brian Zahnd to explore his new book Unseen Existences — and what it means to recover a vision of transcendence in a world flattened by consumerism, politics, and pragmatism.

We talk about why losing sight of heaven turns Christianity into partisan politics. The pilgrimage of the soul — and why nothing real happens fast. What Jesus weeping at Lazarus's tomb tells us about God's co-suffering with us. The prayer Brian prayed on June 4th, 2000 that changed everything. The censored chapter his publisher wouldn't let him include — and where you can find it. Judas, Lazarus, universal hope, and the long arc of love

Unseen Existences, which releases May 19th — Pre-order available now at brianzahnd.com

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Jason sat down with his dad, Lloyd—his best friend—to talk about Lloyd's memoir, The Life I Dreamed Of, a story they’ve been circling for decades. What unfolds is a journey through trauma, religion, and striving, into the surprising discovery that God was never distant. They explore the weight of calling, the lies of separation, and the slow awakening to a love that doesn’t need to be earned. This is a conversation about moving from fear to trust, lack to abundance, and performance to rest. And at the center of it all is this: you’re not trying to be enough, you are enough.

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This episode of Rethinking God with Tacos is a raw, live-recorded conversation exploring some of the most difficult theological questions—wrath, hell, suffering, justice, and human brokenness—through the lens of a God who is fundamentally love. Recorded at Grace Orlando for the Sacred Undoing Conference, the throughline is a radical reimagining of God not as a distant judge but as a restorative presence, whose “wrath” is the fiery, healing force of love that seeks to destroy everything in us that is not of love’s kind, without ever harming our true identity. Through stories, humor, and honest dialogue, the conversation challenges traditional frameworks around sin, sacrifice, church, and judgment, reframing them as misunderstandings rooted in separation thinking, while inviting listeners into a deeper vision of union, restoration, and a God whose relentless affection aims to make us fully alive.

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