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Welcome to Pool Nation. The Podcast where it’s all Pool Talk. We are talking about becoming a nation of pool pros. We talk about the latest products, trends and training in the Swimming Pool Industry. We interview leaders, and educators in the swimming pool industry.Copyright 2020 All rights reserved. Economía Gestión Gestión y Liderazgo Liderazgo
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  • E-278 Pool Nation Podcast - The Motor That Drives Successful Pool Pros: A Deep Dive with Michelle Watson & Max O’Brien
    Dec 8 2025
    In Episode 278 of Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar and Todd broadcast straight from the AquaStar Studio in Ventura, California, where they sit down with two incredible industry leaders: Michelle Watson (Shell’s Pool & Spa) and Max O’Brien (Ventura Pool Pro & IPSA Region 2 Officer). In this powerful, conversation-driven episode, Michelle and Max open up about their journey as pool professionals, navigating growth, scaling challenges, commercial vs. residential service, hiring, California compliance, and the moment every pool pro faces — letting go and trusting a team. Michelle shares how she built a thriving business, her passion for doing things the right way, and how she balances entrepreneurship with surfing three times a week. Max dives into his 24-year pool career, commercial expertise, IPSA leadership, and his unbelievable work with the Ventura County Sheriff’s Underwater Search & Rescue Team, including helicopter deployment training and real recovery missions. This episode is full of leadership, inspiration, business insight, and a deep look at the people elevating the swimming pool industry every single day. Perfect for pool pros who want to grow, lead, and take their business to the next level. Timestamps / Chapters 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast Kickoff from AquaStar’s studio; Todd, Edgar & crew set the tone for the night. 01:00 – Golden Ticket Event & First Laughs Behind the scenes, late-night jokes, and studio vibes. 03:00 – Edgar Discovers AquaStar’s Hidden Detail A deep reflection on culture, quality, and details inside AquaStar HQ. 05:00 – Shoutouts & Getting Started Celebrating the Instagram Live audience and diving into the episode. 05:30 – Introducing Michelle Watson Pool Girl of the Year 2022, the creator behind the legendary Awards Afterparty, and a powerhouse entrepreneur. 07:00 – Michelle’s Journey: From Solo Operator to Scaling a Team Trusting employees, handling growth, onboarding, preparing for W-2s, and running a business in California. 10:00 – Residential vs. Commercial Pools Why Michelle prefers commercial service and how she navigates health department regulations. 13:00 – Surfing, Balance & Burnout Prevention How Michelle stays grounded and energized while growing her business. 16:00 – Family, Business & Raising Hard Workers Her son’s journey, firefighting dreams, and working alongside family. 18:00 – The Psychology of Scaling a Pool Business Letting go, employee mistakes, customer expectations, and the fear every owner faces. 20:00 – Building a Model That Works Anywhere Charging correctly, doing things legally, and proving success is possible even in tough markets. 23:00 – Introducing Max O’Brien Commercial specialist, remodel expert, and long-time Ventura pool pro. 24:00 – How Max Got Into the Industry From hotel maintenance → equipment installs → building pools → launching his own company. 26:00 – Operating a 130-Pool Service Company Commercial routes, 5-day-a-week accounts, and running teams. 28:00 – Max on Education, IPSA & Training the Next Generation Why he teaches, how he trains, and preparing techs to become future entrepreneurs. 31:00 – Inside IPSA Ventura: The Most Active Chapter in California Education, manuals, sick-route/tech-for-tech coverage, outreach, and 64-member collaboration. 34:00 – Tech-for-Tech Stories That Define the Industry Real examples of chapters covering full routes during illness, injury, and tragedy. 39:00 – Max’s Second Life: Underwater Search & Rescue His 20-year role with the Ventura County Sheriff’s Dive Team — car recoveries, searches, evidence retrieval, and blind-water operations. 41:00 – Jumping Out of Helicopters What helicopter deployments are really like (spoiler: full scuba gear and 35-foot drops). 43:00 – Recoveries, Emotions & Mental Resilience How divers process tough calls and why closure for families matters. 47:00 – Final Thoughts from Michelle & Max Business advice, industry inspiration, and the motor that pushes great pros forward. 50:00 – Closing Words from Edgar & Todd Celebrating leadership, professionalism, and elevating the pool service industry. 🙏 Sponsors A huge thank you to our amazing sponsors who make the Pool Nation Podcast possible and continue supporting education, innovation, and professionalism within the pool industry: AquaStar Pool Products Blu-Ray XL Raypak Poolside Tech – The Attendant Heritage Pool Supply Group Biolab SPPA – Pool Brain Nidec Hayward Your support helps us bring powerful stories and industry-changing conversations to pool pros everywhere.
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    55 m
  • E-276 Pool Nation Podcast - Pool Service Pricing 2026: 5 Hidden Profit Leaks Killing Your Cost Per Pool
    Dec 1 2025

    In this episode of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar continues the Winter Business Series with Part 3: uncovering the hidden leaks that silently destroy profitability in your pool service business. If you’ve ever felt like you’re working harder than ever but your bank account doesn’t show it, this episode is for you.

    Edgar breaks down five of the biggest hidden profit leaks in a pool route: drive time and windshield time, chemical creep (especially in summer), non-billable labor and callbacks, bad route design, and overlooked office and equipment costs like tires, brakes, laptops, phones, software, and printers. He walks through real-world examples using cost-per-pool and burdened labor rate so you can see exactly how “small” inefficiencies quietly erase thousands of dollars in profit every year.

    You’ll learn how to tighten your routes, track true chemical costs per stop, factor in non-billable time, and build office/vehicle replacement cycles into your pricing so unexpected breakdowns don’t become financial emergencies. This episode sets you up for the next part of the series, where Edgar will dive into margins, good–better–best pricing, and how to build new rates for 2026 based on your real cost per pool.

    Whether you’re just starting your pool route or you’re scaling with multiple trucks and techs, this is a must-listen if you want to price profitably, protect your margins, and avoid burnout.

    Chapter Timestamps
    • [00:00:00] Intro & Welcome – Winter Business Series Part 3

    • [00:01:00] Recap of Cost-Per-Pool & Why Hidden Leaks Matter

    • [00:04:30] The “Invisible” Profit Killers in a Pool Service Business

    • [00:05:30] Hidden Leak #1 – Drive Time & Windshield Time vs. True Labor Cost

    • [00:13:30] Hidden Leak #2 – Chemical Creep, Summer Usage & Per-Stop Chem Costs

    • [00:20:30] Hidden Leak #3 – Non-Billable Labor, Callbacks & Burnout

    • [00:30:30] Sponsor Break

    • [00:34:30] Zach’s “Micro Tasks” Concept & How It Ties Into Profit Leaks

    • [00:36:00] Hidden Leak #4 – Bad Route Design & Route Density Fixes

    • [00:44:00] Hidden Leak #5 – Office, Trucks & Equipment Leaks (Tires, Brakes, Laptops, Phones, Software)

    • [00:56:00] Final Sponsor Break

    • [01:00:30] Final Thoughts, Next Episode Teaser & Encouragement for Pool Pros

    • [01:04:15] Outro – Pool Man University & Where to Learn More

    Sponsor Thank-You (for show notes)

    A huge thank you to our visionary partners for supporting the Pool Nation Podcast and the Winter Business Series:

    • The SPPA –

    • Blu-Ray XL –

    • US Motors / Nidec –

    • AquaStar Pool Products –

    • Natural Chemistry –

    • Raypak –

    • Heritage Pool Supply

    • Hayward Pool Products –

    • Poolside Tech

    • Pool Brain

    • Nidec

    Thank you for your continued support of education and profitability for pool pros.

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    1 h y 5 m
  • E-275 Pool Nation Podcast - Pool Service Pricing 2026: How to Calculate Your REAL Cost Per Pool
    Nov 24 2025

    Pool service pricing has changed — and today we break down the number that decides EVERYTHING in your business: your true cost per pool and cost per stop.

    In episode 275 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar and Zac go deep into the financial side of running a profitable pool service business. We walk through the 5-minute cost-per-pool calculator, the expenses most pros overlook, how to calculate your real cost per stop, how drive time destroys profitability, and why understanding this number becomes your most powerful business tool heading into 2026.

    Whether you're a one-pole operator or building a multi-truck operation, this episode will give you the clarity and confidence to price correctly, protect your margins, grow profitably, and eliminate the guesswork.

    If you’ve ever wondered “How much should I charge?” — THIS is the episode you’ve been waiting for.

    ⏱️ Timestamps

    00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 01:00 – The intro Edgar finally nailed after 6 years 😂 02:00 – Team updates, nervous presentations & personal branding training 05:00 – Customer retention challenges & why winter months are deceptive 07:00 – Pool guy holidays & California storm stories 09:00 – Price increases for 2026 & what the financial reports are showing 11:00 – Why most pool pros undercharge without realizing it 12:00 – The “aha moment” when you finally calculate your real costs 14:00 – Why small companies MUST learn their cost per pool early 15:00 – The real expenses pool pros forget to include 17:00 – Death by a thousand cuts: the sneaky costs killing your margins 19:00 – Why you don’t need to be a CPA to understand your numbers 20:00 – Step 1 of the 5-Minute Cost-per-Pool Calculator 23:00 – Step 2: Add ALL your expenses (no exceptions) 25:00 – Cost per pool vs cost per stop — and why both matter 28:00 – How cost per stop reveals the “leaks” in your business 30:00 – Why your emotional pricing is hurting your profits 33:00 – The hidden expense that steals thousands: drive time 37:00 – Fuel, maintenance, and the REAL cost of trucks 41:00 – Insurance: the fastest-rising expense in the industry 45:00 – Labor burden explained (your $22/hr tech REALLY costs $28–$30) 49:00 – Red flags to look for when reviewing your chemical spend 54:00 – Office & administrative costs most pros forget to calculate 59:00 – How non-billable hours crush profitability 01:04:00 – Why clarity is the most powerful business advantage 01:10:00 – What’s coming in Part 3: Pricing for 2026 & target margins

    🙏 Thank You to Our Visionary Sponsors

    A huge thank you to our podcast partners and sponsors who make education like this possible:

    • The SPPA –

    • BluRay XL –

    • AquaStar Pool Products –

    • Natural Chemistry –

    • Raypak –

    • Heritage Pool Supply Group

    • Hayward Pool Products –

    • Poolside Tech –

    • Pool Brain

    • NEC / US Motors –

    We appreciate your ongoing support and commitment to the pool industry.

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    1 h y 14 m
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