I'm OK With My Mom Dying But I Draw The Line At Hilary Clinton Losing

CW: death. This week I talk to John deBary about the death of his mother from brain cancer. John had no emotional reaction to her passing only to suffer a mental breakdown two years later after Hilary Clinton lost the presidential race in 2016. We talk about how we both tend to repress strong emotions and how it's conditioning from our childhoods. John also talks about his family history which he can trace back one thousand years. His last name is actually Bary Bary which also sounds like how my Korean mom would describe him: "John is Bary Bary white!"