We first released this episode with Dolly Chugh more than a year ago, but it feels even more relevant today.

Dolly is a social psychologist at NYU who studies how well-intentioned people deal with bias, identity, and the stories we tell ourselves about the world. Her work challenges a deeply held belief: that being a “good person” is enough.

In this conversation, Dolly explains why that mindset can actually hold us back, and why striving to be “good-ish” leads to real growth. She breaks down how unconscious bias works, why our understanding of history is often incomplete, and how those gaps affect the way we see the present.

You’ll also hear practical tools for grappling with uncomfortable truths without shutting down, including how to recognize simplified narratives, embrace contradictions, and keep improving without defensiveness.

If you missed this episode the first time, it’s worth revisiting. And if you did hear it before, you may find it lands differently now.

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Guy Kawasaki is on a mission to make you remarkable. His Remarkable People podcast features interviews with remarkable people such as Jane Goodall, Marc Benioff, Woz, Kristi Yamaguchi, and Bob Cialdini. Every episode will make you more remarkable.

With his decades of experience in Silicon Valley as a Venture Capitalist and advisor to the top entrepreneurs in the world, Guy’s questions come from a place of curiosity and passion for technology, start-ups, entrepreneurship, and marketing. If you love society and culture, documentaries, and business podcasts, take a second to follow Remarkable People.

Listeners of the Remarkable People podcast will learn from some of the most successful people in the world with practical tips and inspiring stories that will help you be more remarkable.

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What really happened inside Apple’s first fifty years? David Pogue joins Guy Kawasaki to unpack the myths, the meltdowns, and the moments that built the world’s most influential tech company. From near-misses aboard OceanGate to tense interviews with Elon Musk, Pogue shares stories only a veteran reporter could collect—and why writing Apple: The First 50 Years changed how he sees Silicon Valley. They revisit Steve Jobs’s legend, and the decisions that still ripple through culture and politics. If you think you know Apple, this conversation will surprise you.

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Guy Kawasaki is on a mission to make you remarkable. His Remarkable People podcast features interviews with remarkable people such as Jane Goodall, Marc Benioff, Woz, Kristi Yamaguchi, and Bob Cialdini. Every episode will make you more remarkable.

With his decades of experience in Silicon Valley as a Venture Capitalist and advisor to the top entrepreneurs in the world, Guy’s questions come from a place of curiosity and passion for technology, start-ups, entrepreneurship, and marketing. If you love society and culture, documentaries, and business podcasts, take a second to follow Remarkable People.

Listeners of the Remarkable People podcast will learn from some of the most successful people in the world with practical tips and inspiring stories that will help you be more remarkable.

Episodes of Remarkable People organized by topic: https://bit.ly/rptopology

Listen to Remarkable People here: **https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/guy-kawasakis-remarkable-people/id1483081827**

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Cindy Cohn joins Remarkable People to break down encryption, Section 230, metadata, and the real meaning of the First and Fourth Amendments in the digital age. As longtime leader of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, she has taken on the Department of Justice, challenged mass surveillance, and helped secure the tools we rely on every day.

We also dive into her new memoir, Privacy’s Defender: My Thirty-Year Fight Against Digital Surveillance, and what comes next in the fight for online freedom.

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Guy Kawasaki is on a mission to make you remarkable. His Remarkable People podcast features interviews with remarkable people such as Jane Goodall, Marc Benioff, Woz, Kristi Yamaguchi, and Bob Cialdini. Every episode will make you more remarkable.

With his decades of experience in Silicon Valley as a Venture Capitalist and advisor to the top entrepreneurs in the world, Guy’s questions come from a place of curiosity and passion for technology, start-ups, entrepreneurship, and marketing. If you love society and culture, documentaries, and business podcasts, take a second to follow Remarkable People.

Listeners of the Remarkable People podcast will learn from some of the most successful people in the world with practical tips and inspiring stories that will help you be more remarkable.

Episodes of Remarkable People organized by topic: https://bit.ly/rptopology

Listen to Remarkable People here: **https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/guy-kawasakis-remarkable-people/id1483081827**

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