We sit down with Professor Ben Saul, UN Special Rapporteur on human rights and counterterrorism, to unpack Australia’s post-crisis push for tougher hate and extremism laws and what that signals for democratic debate. We dig into where international human rights law draws the line on speech and why vague drafting and executive power can chill legitimate political criticism while failing to stop real violence.

• Australia’s lack of a federal Bill of Rights and why that leaves freedoms exposed
• what a UN Special Rapporteur does and how counterterrorism is meant to protect rights
• how the ICCPR treats freedom of expression and when limits can be lawful
• incitement to violence versus “glorification” and why the boundary matters
• problems with criminalising “promoting hatred” rather than inciting hatred
• the danger of subjective “fear” standards in a plural society
• religious texts and why religion should not shield incitement
• prohibited hate groups, ministerial discretion, procedural fairness and weak avenues to challenge listings
• why bans can push extremists underground and create a chilling effect

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We argue that real free speech requires the courage to criticise the radicals on our own side without sliding into denunciation or cancellation. We test where open debate ends and coercion begins, from political correctness and taboo research to hate speech laws and contested definitions of antisemitism.
• why “never criticise your right” weakens debate and traps movements in loyalty tests
• media and institutional power shaping the Overton window of acceptable speech
• political correctness as stigma and censorship rather than honest disagreement
• Orwell as a model for improving your own side through hard critique
• whether “moderate” and “extreme” are cultural fashion labels
• race, IQ, biology, and the risks of building policy on abstract assumptions
• trans politics as a flashpoint for sex based differences in law and safety
• diversity, social trust, and conflicting evidence versus lived experience
• hate speech laws in Australia and the Joel Davis case as a warning
• the IHRA definition of antisemitism and how broad rules can chill debate
• platforming controversial voices versus correcting misinformation in public
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We break down the Broadcasting Standards Authority’s claim that it can regulate online platforms under the Broadcasting Act 1989, even though Parliament never updated the law for the internet. We talk through why that change threatens open debate, why the standards are so subjective, and why we think this fight matters for free speech in New Zealand.
• the BSA asserting jurisdiction over online speech via an old statute
• why broadcast standards existed in a scarce spectrum era
• how the internet breaks the logic of compulsory audiences and balance rules
• the subjectivity of “good taste and decency” and why it becomes a power tool
• Tikanga flashpoints and the idea of modern “heresy trials”
• inconsistencies in targeting small outlets while excluding major platforms
• the practical mess of defining audiences and applying on-demand exceptions
• the chilling effect of complaints, process costs, and potential fines
• political and international risks if New Zealand is seen to censor platforms
• why we say we have to fight and what could come next
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