It was time, folks! During the Dexter episode, Bill told Sandra about Toy Box Killer, David Parker Ray, after mentioning the killer from the TV show that could have been inspired by him. She was a little spooked by the very brief description, so Bill figured, LET’S COVER THAT ONE!!!

David Parker Ray was a sadistic serial rapist and killer. He would abduct women, and restrain them in his toy box, a service trailer that he turned into an S&M torture chamber. He would drug them, and when they woke up, he would play a sadistic tape recording of him telling the victim exactly what to expect for the duration of their stay. He would then rape the women for days, weeks, and in some cases, months.

3 women survived, although he is strongly suspected of killing many more, as well as abducting and torturing many more. But it was the heroic actions of 3 victims, one of which escaped, that brought Ray’s crimes to light, and led to his arrest and conviction.

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On this episode, we’re covering a tale of 2 brothers. 2 brothers who couldn’t be more different. Steven and Cary Stayner. The whole saga of the Stayner family is heartbreaking, and one of the strangest cases in true crime. In the early 70s, Steven Stayner was abducted by a predator who in addition to abusing him for 7 years, attempted to make him his son..until he aged out, and the predator tried to make him recruit a new brother. He refused, but the predator found one anyway. Rather than let him put this new boy through the hell he had gone through, Steven and the new boy escaped, and both were reunited with their families. Steven had been gone for 7 years, and the media frenzy made Cary fade into the background. If you’re unfamiliarwith the story, I won’t spoil it for you as to what happened toCary...but its crazy, and not in a good way.

Joining us once again is Jody Plauche, who had some invaluable input into Steven’s story, considering he too was abducted by a predator when he was very young. This was a great episode, and thanks to Jody for coming on!

You can buy his book that he wrote about his experience, as well the actions that made his father, Gary into a hero here:

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Jonathan Schwartz was a self made success in the management of Hollywood celebrities like Beyonce, Alanis Morrisette, and others, until he got into trouble with gambling and drugs. He hit rock bottom, and wound up in prison after losing everything.

Now, out of prison, he fights for redemption. He joins Bill on CKCB Features and tells his incredible story of his ordeal, and how he is redeeming himself.

This interview is a little on the serious side, but its a riveting story.

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