Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle
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- Length: 18 hrs and 19 mins
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- Release Date:07-08-13
- Publisher: The Great Courses
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Publisher's Summary
For more than two millennia, philosophers have grappled with life's most profound and "eternal" questions. It is easy to forget, however, that these questions about fundamental issues like justice, injustice, virtue, vice, or happiness were not always eternal. They once had to be asked for the first time.
This was a step that could place the inquirer beyond the boundaries of the law. And the Athenian citizen and philosopher who took that courageous step in the 5th century B.C. was Socrates.
In this intellectually vibrant - yet crystal-clear and accessible - series of 36 lectures, an award-winning teacher provides you with a detailed analysis of the golden age of Athenian philosophy and the philosophical consequences of the philosopher's famed "Socratic Turn": his veering away from philosophy's previous concerns with the scientific study of nature and the physical world and toward the scrutiny of moral opinion. After Socrates, philosophy would never be the same. You learn that much of Socrates's philosophy is captured in the writings of his contemporaries and followers, including not just Plato and Aristotle, but also figures like Xenophon, a great thinker and military commander, and the comic playwright Aristophanes. Professor Bartlett takes you through Plato's most important dialogues - where Socrates is the protagonist - and shows how they convey the core of Socrates's philosophy. He then moves on to Aristotle, who did more than anyone to establish a comprehensive system of philosophy in the West, producing work encompassing morality, politics, aesthetics, logic, science, rhetoric, theology, metaphysics, and more.
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"Brilliant"
An excellent introduction to these great men and philosophy in general. Worth a listen even if you have studied philosophy for a while.
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"Worthwhile"
I bought this course to freshen up my knowledge, having spent a while away from the works of Plato (and never having spent much time reading Aristotle, and hoping to use this course to inspire me so to do).
Professor Bartlett lays out a very clear outline of each lecture, and has a definite architecture that he lays out in the first lectures and sums up with in the last. This organization is particularly useful in the latter part of the course, where he presents some very complex, nuanced and occasionally even contradictory arguments from Aristotle's Ethics and Politics (these works are the meat and potatoes of the entire section on Aristotle).
I particularly enjoyed the professor's ability to keep the various characters and frames of reference (vital to understanding what Plato is doing in the dialogues, as Prof. Bartlett makes clear) in the picture. I feel that my understanding of the Apology, Euthyphro, Republic and particularly (if surprisingly) Aristophanes' The Clouds has been deepened considerably.
Note that Aristotle's natural philosophy works and metaphysics are mentioned but not discussed here, the focus being Aristotle's takes on morality, virtue and the good life, which dovetails nicely with the earlier part of the course.
The time spent with Xenophon's Socratic dialogues was a nice surprise, as I hadn't encountered them before and they form a refreshing counterpoint to Plato's far more ironic and subtext-laden dialogues.
Overall, recommended.4 of 4 people found this review helpful -
"EVERYONE should listen to this"
This is great coupled with Plato's readings. I have ONLY read Plato's Republic (and it was years ago) but this audiobook reminded me of how Socrates has so thoroughly shaped the philosophy I follow. I have a great loyalty to 'justice'. It has also motivated me to look at Plato's other works and revealed to me so much more about Socrates than I expected.
I listen while I go about chores or other jobs that don't require my 100% attention (like at work while making gels, making solutions, purifying proteins, etc [I work in a lab]). I've found that it GREATLY settles my mind. After listening, I feel enthralled but so much more stable and satisfied. If you care about Justice, this is an informative and fulfilling listen.6 of 7 people found this review helpful -
Gary Las Cruces, NM, United States 07-24-16 Member Since 2016l'enfer c'est les autres
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"Wake-up! and listen to lectures like this one"
The professor is very good at making these philosophers relevant to today and explaining what their dialogs (in Socrates' case) or books (in Aristotle's case) mean. He did such a good job it took me a month to finish this course because I would often end up listening to the play, dialog or book he was talking about for free through LibriVox (why does Audible overcharge for those things?).
Here's a mnemonic I use: think of three Greeks in their togas in a SPA, therefore you'll know the order that they come in (S)corates, (P)lato, and (A)ristotle.
The professor really seemed to focus on Plato's dialogs that involved Socrates and therefore I would say the Plato part of the lecture was really about Socrates.
The professor does something I really liked. He demystifies Socrates and puts him back down to earth. He'll say, for example, that the Republic is not really about a utopian state but is about how to understand what justice is within an individual and even as Socrates clearly states it's just a way to magnify the pieces that make up the whole within the individual the same way a sign written in bigger letters allows one to see better. Even the allegory of the cave is not strictly speaking about philosophy, but is more about our political understanding of the world (I think the professor says it that way, but he is a Political Scientist and sees the world that way).
The professor gives a very good contrast between Socrates and Aristotle. Socrates would say that The Good (Virtue) is depended on our Knowledge and The Bad (Vice) is done because of the ignorance we have. Incontinence (the lack of control we have over ourselves or thoughts) is due only because of our ignorance, and therefore we never can knowingly do bad. Aristotle would say that we can knowingly do bad things to ourselves and we do that in spite of our knowledge.
I really loved what the professor had to say on Aristotle's ethics, and I ended up listening to that with LibriVox. I never would have been able to follow that book without this lecture telling me what he was really saying (Aristotle is a miserably poor writer, but is always worth while wading through because he sees the world unlike anybody else). In brief, don't let the world distract you from what is unimportant and focus on the contemplative instead and wake-up!5 of 6 people found this review helpful -
"The Life Socrates, NOT The Philosophy of Socrates"
What disappointed you about Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle?This course focuses on the life of Socrates and the lives of his students and contemporaries. The story here provides a cultural and contextual background for these major Greek thinkers, but unfortunately gets caught up in the details of ancient Greek social history without giving much attention to the tenets of the philosophy. Of course, some points of Socrates' teachings are necessarily described, but I found this course wasn't at all what I was looking for, and I found it rather boring.
Would you ever listen to anything by The Great Courses again?Probably not, unless I got a very good recommendation for a course that fulfills my desire to have someone deeply explain the ideas (as opposed to the history).
Did Professor Robert C. Bartlett do a good job differentiating all the characters? How?Yes, he is an excellent orator and very skilled at weaving information into a followable storyline.
You didn’t love this book... but did it have any redeeming qualities?This course would be better categorized and described as "History of Philosophy." It's great if you want to understand the history of philosophy and the relationships between some of the major Greek philosophers. It's not the best if you want to learn about the intricacies of their ideas.
5 of 6 people found this review helpful -
"Hard to listen to"
The narrator repeats himself and offers little analysis; hard to enjoy and get in to.
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Aaron Sherman Malden, MA United States 09-14-15 Member Since 2014A voracious consumer of Fantasy and Philosophy on Audible.
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"Was looking for context, not disappointed!"
If you could sum up Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle in three words, what would they be?Plato, Socrates, Aristotle
What did you like best about this story?First off, why is Audible asking about "story". Surely there's plenty of non-fiction on Audible!
So, what did I like? The historical context. The modern cultural context that's not overwhelming, but placed in the lecture where needed. The focus on what the writings meant, and not just what they said.
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"Restricted by a formula"
This is the second Great Courses I've listened to and the speakers seem to be bound by a formula that slows the momentum of the content. "This is what I'm about to tell you; this is what I'm telling you; this is what I told you." The speakers have no personal opinions or personalities and seem to be reading a manuscript that ends in the sound effect of canned clapping. These speakers have won awards for teaching but none of their talent shows through. The content could be exciting shared by a passionate individual but just feels like a list read by a guy with a doctorate in reading.
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"A very good historical reference piece. I liked it"
A very good historical reference piece. I liked it very much. It is interesting that they lived all within a generation of the Budda, and Confucius.
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"Very good.
"I listen each day during my commute. Excellent lectures,. I am continuing the series, enjoy.
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SteveUnited Kingdom9/22/16
"I wanted to hear their philosophy"
Would you try another book written by The Great Courses or narrated by Professor Robert C. Bartlett?I wanted to hear their philosophy, but this lecture as far as I could stand it was about how brilliant they were without showing any of the brilliance.
Who might you have cast as narrator instead of Professor Robert C. Bartlett?I really don't like Prof Barlett's style. I prefer someone the talk to me without appearing to perform
Any additional comments?It was my mistake for not researching it properly
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Cap. TT2/9/15
"Not engaging."
I may have bought this without much appreciating the fact that those are basically lectures, but even as such it is way too boring with no easy way to capture the core ideas. Too lengthy on superficial subjects and not enough base. I'm returning this one.
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Ed1/21/15
"A dry and unsatisfying slice of a vast pie"
Would you try another book written by The Great Courses or narrated by Professor Robert C. Bartlett?Covering the three greatest philosophers of Ancient Greece in one lecture series is ambitious to say the least. It started off well with Socrates but then the lectures jumped straight to Aristotle and I got very little sense of Plato's own contribution. That is my first criticism. My second is that the coverage of Aristotle was almost exclusively confined to the Nicomachean Ethics which is fine and perhaps should have made up an entire lecture series in its own right but this emphasis left me no wiser about Aristotle's other works.
Professor Bartlett is not the most captivating speaker. He crams a lot into each sequence so that your head is quickly reeling as it tries to capture points and facts and keep pace at the same time. I shall buy another couple of books and then come back for another go at this rather dry lecture series. My aim was to be equipped to tackle Augustine and Aquinas and I don;t yet feel up to that monumental read so this book has taken me less far than I hoped for.
By no means a waste of time. Not for the faint hearted but it does add enough value to be worth a listen by dedicated students of the subject.
What was most disappointing about The Great Courses’s story?See above
Who might you have cast as narrator instead of Professor Robert C. Bartlett?This question is ridiculous. Get a grip Audible
Could you see Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle being made into a movie or a TV series? Who would the stars be?This question is ridiculous. Get a grip Audible
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adomas3/31/17
"lengthy but enlightening"
eventhough it was a little hard to finish, many of the chapters had very interesting content. The story was well structured and easy to follow.
I'd say a book wook be a lot more enjoyable, but this was really good for walks and sometimes I'd space out but it doesn't matter too much if you miss some of it.0 of 0 people found this review helpful -
Tout en chantantParis, France12/31/16
"Bland, boring, superficial, poorly presented"
What would have made Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle better?In a course entitled Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle the field to cover is of course bast and some judicious choices have to be made if you want to bring some depth to treatment and avoid bland superficality, this Professor C Bartlett unfortunately fails to do: his approach is anodyne, dull, repetitive and often very poorly reasoned. I got the impression that he did not spend much time preparing for this course.
What will your next listen be?I am going straight to the source this time: Plato's Republic
What didn’t you like about Professor Robert C. Bartlett’s performance?He lacked vigor and mental finesse. His sentences are boring and his treatment of the subject meandering and often inconsistent.
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J A Bennett7/21/15
"Great book, shame about the lecturer"
What did you like about this audiobook?It is a fantastic introduction to the ancient philosophers but the lecturer often stumbles over his words and in some cases even says the wrong words which I think can be rather misguiding especially when discussing philosophy, sometimes one wrong word can change the meaning of the sentence and I feel that this particular speaker doesn't sound confident enough to convey the meanings of the texts well.
How has the book increased your interest in the subject matter?as I say the subject matter is amazing, it certainly has increased my love of ancient philosophy and lead me to read further on the subject
Does the author present information in a way that is interesting and insightful, and if so, how does he achieve this?The speaker is rather sub-par (see above)
What did you find wrong about the narrator's performance?He seemed very nervous and stumbled over many sentences sometimes crossing the meanings of the sentences he said. Not helpful when trying to take in important philosophical points.
Do you have any additional comments?The rest of this series has much better narrators and they are well worth a listen, this seems to be an unfortunate anomaly.
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Frederick Hickey7/31/16
"A great intro to Socrates, Plato and Aristotle"
This is a wonderfully paced account of the Philosophy's of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. The course is quite accessible for those with little to no experience of these philosophers teachings. This is a definite recommend.
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