Welcome to another episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan shines a light on an area vital to every agency’s growth: how to show up for clients and prospects in ways that build genuine trust, loyalty, and long-term relationships. To explore this undervalued but crucial topic, Drew is joined by Jamie Shibley, founder of The Expressory and expert in strategic engagement and relationship-driven agency growth.

Jamie shares her fascinating journey from two decades in corporate IT and ecommerce management to launching her own agency, where she helps businesses nurture relationships through intentional and personalized engagement. Through insightful stories and real-life examples, Jamie and Drew examine why clients crave more than just a transactional relationship—they want to feel seen, valued, and heard. Together, they unpack the psychology behind meaningful connections, discussing simple but powerful ways agencies can differentiate themselves by caring more deeply and showing it consistently.

Listeners will learn how to communicate care and appreciation, not just during the wooing phase, but throughout the client journey. Jamie reveals the six strategic storylines that should guide your client engagement, offers practical tips for intentional gifting (hint: it’s more about thoughtfulness than price or heavy branding), and shares eye-opening data on the tangible impact of consistent relationship nurturing. Drew and Jamie also address common barriers, like lack of time or uncertainty about what to say, and provide actionable strategies to overcome them.

If you’re looking to solidify your client retention, inspire advocacy, and create memorable experiences that set your agency apart, this episode is a must-listen. Discover how small, intentional acts can have outsized effects on your business—and why now, more than ever, demonstrating care can be your most powerful growth lever.

A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • The evolution of business relationships in a post-COVID, highly digital landscape
  • Why intentional, personal connection is a key agency differentiator
  • The science and psychology behind making clients feel seen and valued
  • Practical strategies for nurturing client relationships—before and after the sale
  • The impact of thoughtful, tailored gifts and gestures (beyond traditional swag)
  • Easy ways to operationalize meaningful engagement—without overwhelming your team
  • How consistent care and acknowledgment lead to trust, referrals, and stronger client retention

Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan turns the focus inward—with a practical conversation that every agency leader needs to hear. Joined by long-time AMI partner and Strategic Talent Management co-owner Sue MacArthur, Drew unpacks one of the most nuanced and important topics in the business: how to elevate your team, enhance retention, and lead with intention by mastering the art of the “stay interview.”

Sue shares her extensive experience helping agencies solve their most pressing people challenges, from leadership development to hiring, performance management, and succession planning. Together, Drew and Sue dig into the realities of leading in a post-Covid landscape, emphasizing that being a good manager or leader doesn’t happen by accident—it requires thoughtful systems, ongoing engagement, and real, authentic conversations with your team.

The heart of this episode centers on the stay interview: what it is, why it matters, and how it can radically transform your agency’s culture and retention. Sue offers actionable advice on how to incorporate stay interview questions into regular one-on-ones, how to create safe space for candid feedback, and how to foster a two-way dialogue where employees feel empowered to ask leadership tough questions as well. Drew and Sue also explore best practices for rolling out this process in your agency, including tips for building trust, handling difficult feedback, and turning employee insights into real, meaningful change.

Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to build deeper trust with your team, prevent regrettable departures, and unlock the potential sitting right within your agency walls. Drew even leaves you with a clear action plan and resources, so you can start integrating these conversations right away and position your agency—and your people—for long-term success.

A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • The value of stay interviews for employee retention and engagement
  • Why performance management should be a continuous, intentional process
  • How to create safe spaces for candid employee feedback
  • Strategies for helping employees shape their career paths within small agencies
  • The importance of modeling open communication and vulnerability as a leader
  • Turning employee feedback into actionable change and team-wide improvement
  • Balancing listening with encouraging solution-oriented problem solving

Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined by returning guest Michael Farmer, a renowned consultant and author with decades of experience advising both global agency holding companies and independent shops. Together, they pull back the curtain on one of the agency world's most persistent and problematic issues: the disconnect between the value agencies provide, the scope of work they deliver, and the fees they collect.

Michael shares candid insights from his 30-plus years helping agencies navigate profitability challenges, particularly around scoping, resourcing, and pricing work appropriately. He recounts eye-opening stories from inside major agencies, including how a lack of clarity around deliverables and the overuse of creative resources can quietly erode margins—and ultimately, agency health. Michael breaks down his approach to rigorous scope management, explaining why developing a detailed, data-driven understanding of agency output is essential for both profitability and sustainability.

Drew and Michael explore why so many agencies—especially large holding companies—fall into the trap of doing too much for too little, and why today’s independent agencies are uniquely positioned to break that cycle. Their conversation highlights how smaller agencies can differentiate themselves by adopting a consulting mindset, engaging more meaningfully with clients about business outcomes rather than just deliverables, and leveraging freelance talent for maximum flexibility.

If you’re ready to move beyond being a “deliverable shop” and reposition your agency as a true strategic partner, this episode is a must-listen. You’ll walk away with actionable advice on scoping, pricing, business model evolution, and why now is the perfect moment for independent agencies to lead the industry forward by focusing on the work that truly moves the needle for clients.

A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Why agencies must shift from delivering quantity to delivering strategic value
  • The dangers of undervaluing agency work and over-delivering for too little revenue
  • The critical importance of scoping, pricing, and tracking deliverables accurately
  • How smaller, independent agencies are positioned to outpace big holding companies
  • The need for deeper alignment with client business goals, not just creative output
  • Leveraging freelance and specialized talent to extend agency capabilities
  • Preparing for the future: consulting mindset, strategic focus, and harnessing AI responsibly