"closure"

It’s the end of Evermore era (almost!) — and what better way to celebrate it than with the breakdown of closure. In this episode, Nick, Ana, and Amy dive deep into the meaning of "closure" from Evermore, exploring its chaotic intro, sharp lyricism, and what the song reveals about saying goodbye — even when you don’t need to. From theories about who the song might be directed toward (Scott Borchetta? Scooter Braun? A former friend?) to how Taylor transforms sarcasm into strength, this breakdown covers it all. Plus, hear theories on why Closure isn’t actually the final song on Evermore — and what that says about Taylor’s storytelling. Join us next time for the unofficial end to evermore… before we get into the deluxe tracks. And up next… It’s time to delve into The Life of a Showgirl! THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY BETTERHELP Give online therapy a try at https://www.BETTERHELP.COM/TAYLORSWIFTFAN and get on your way to being your best self. Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13 Contact the Podcast Voicemail: [phone] Email: [e-mail] Instagram: @the13podcast TikTok: @the13podcast Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Follow the Hosts Ana – @anaszabo13 Lacey – @laceygee13 – @amysnichols Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices