In this episode of Yours for the Making, Robin Johnson sits down with Russell Birt from Birt Williams Bespoke Joinery in Eastbourne. Russell shares his journey from restoring a 1974 Volkswagen camper to running a thriving joinery business. He opens up about taking over a workshop at 31, surviving accidents and setbacks, and building a partnership that balances traditional hand skills with modern CNC technology.
The conversation covers conservation joinery, the challenges of pricing and time management, the value of apprentices, and why quality always wins over speed. Packed with insight for makers, joiners, woodworkers and anyone passionate about craft, this episode explores the realities of keeping traditional skills alive while adapting to the pressures of modern business.
Key Topics Covered
- Russell’s journey from VW restoration to professional joinery
- Buying and running a joinery business at 31
- Balancing traditional craftsmanship with CNC machines
- The importance of conservation joinery in heritage projects
- Pricing jobs and managing client expectations
- Running a small workshop with a business partner
- Work-life balance and flexibility in joinery
- Passing skills to apprentices and the next generation
- Why quality matters more than cutting corners
- Future goals for Burtt Williams Bespoke Joinery
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Key Moments:
00:00 – Introduction to Russell Burtt and the joinery community in Eastbourne
01:00 – From VW restoration to pursuing joinery
02:00 – Buying a workshop at 31 and early challenges
05:00 – Business setbacks and recovery with new partnerships
09:00 – Adapting to quieter markets and investing in CNC technology
13:00 – Balancing tradition with modern machines
17:00 – Ownership of projects and importance of the finish
20:00 – Campervan interiors and CNC opportunities
25:00 – Pricing challenges and managing time effectively
33:00 – Balancing office work and workshop life
39:00 – The joy of making and rekindling passion
43:00 – Passing skills down through apprenticeships
46:00 – The future of conservation joinery
54:00 – Favourite parts of joinery and the love of timber
01:00:00 – Challenges of conservation work and heritage restrictions
01:06:00 – Partnerships, flexibility, and running a small workshop
01:10:00 – Why quality work builds reputation and wins clients
01:11:00 – Advice for young joiners starting out