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Your Undivided Attention

Your Undivided Attention

De: The Center for Humane Technology Tristan Harris Daniel Barcay and Aza Raskin
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Join us every other Thursday to understand how new technologies are shaping the way we live, work, and think. Your Undivided Attention is produced by Senior Producer Julia Scott and Researcher/Producer is Joshua Lash. Sasha Fegan is our Executive Producer. We are a member of the TED Audio Collective.2019-2025 Center for Humane Technology Ciencia Política Ciencias Sociales Política y Gobierno Relaciones
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  • “Rogue AI” Used to be a Science Fiction Trope. Not Anymore.

    “Rogue AI” Used to be a Science Fiction Trope. Not Anymore.
    Aug 14 2025
    Everyone knows the science fiction tropes of AI systems that go rogue, disobey orders, or even try to escape their digital environment. These are supposed to be warning signs and morality tales, not things that we would ever actually create in real life, given the obvious danger.And yet we find ourselves building AI systems that are exhibiting these exact behaviors. There’s growing evidence that in certain scenarios, every frontier AI system will deceive, cheat, or coerce their human operators. They do this when they're worried about being either shut down, having their training modified, or being replaced with a new model. And we don't currently know how to stop them from doing this—or even why they’re doing it all.In this episode, Tristan sits down with Edouard and Jeremie Harris of Gladstone AI, two experts who have been thinking about this worrying trend for years.  Last year, the State Department commissioned a report from them on the risk of uncontrollable AI to our national security.The point of this discussion is not to fearmonger but to take seriously the possibility that humans might lose control of AI and ask: how might this actually happen? What is the evidence we have of this phenomenon? And, most importantly, what can we do about it?Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on X: @HumaneTech_. You can find a full transcript, key takeaways, and much more on our Substack.RECOMMENDED MEDIAGladstone AI’s State Department Action Plan, which discusses the loss of control risk with AIApollo Research’s summary of AI scheming, showing evidence of it in all of the frontier modelsThe system card for Anthropic’s Claude Opus and Sonnet 4, detailing the emergent misalignment behaviors that came out in their red-teaming with Apollo ResearchAnthropic’s report on agentic misalignment based on their work with Apollo Research Anthropic and Redwood Research’s work on alignment fakingThe Trump White House AI Action PlanFurther reading on the phenomenon of more advanced AIs being better at deception.Further reading on Replit AI wiping a company’s coding databaseFurther reading on the owl example that Jeremie gaveFurther reading on AI induced psychosisDan Hendryck and Eric Schmidt’s “Superintelligence Strategy” RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODESDaniel Kokotajlo Forecasts the End of Human DominanceBehind the DeepSeek Hype, AI is Learning to ReasonThe Self-Preserving Machine: Why AI Learns to DeceiveThis Moment in AI: How We Got Here and Where We’re GoingCORRECTIONSTristan referenced a Wired article on the phenomenon of AI psychosis. It was actually from the New York Times.Tristan hypothesized a scenario where a power-seeking AI might ask a user for access to their computer. While there are some AI services that can gain access to your computer with permission, they are specifically designed to do that. There haven’t been any documented cases of an AI going rogue and asking for control permissions.
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  • AI is the Next Free Speech Battleground

    AI is the Next Free Speech Battleground
    Jul 31 2025

    Imagine a future where the most persuasive voices in our society aren't human. Where AI generated speech fills our newsfeeds, talks to our children, and influences our elections. Where digital systems with no consciousness can hold bank accounts and property. Where AI companies have transferred the wealth of human labor and creativity to their own ledgers without having to pay a cent. All without any legal accountability.

    This isn't a science fiction scenario. It’s the future we’re racing towards right now. The biggest tech companies are working right now to tip the scale of power in society away from humans and towards their AI systems. And the biggest arena for this fight is in the courts.

    In the absence of regulation, it's largely up to judges to determine the guardrails around AI. Judges who are relying on slim technical knowledge and archaic precedent to decide where this all goes. In this episode, Harvard Law professor Larry Lessig and Meetali Jain, director of the Tech Justice Law Project help make sense of the court’s role in steering AI and what we can do to help steer it better.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on X: @HumaneTech_. You can find a full transcript, key takeaways, and much more on our Substack.

    RECOMMENDED MEDIA

    “The First Amendment Does Not Protect Replicants” by Larry Lessig

    More information on the Tech Justice Law Project

    Further reading on Sewell Setzer’s story

    Further reading on NYT v. Sullivan

    Further reading on the Citizens United case

    Further reading on Google’s deal with Character AI

    More information on Megan Garcia’s foundation, The Blessed Mother Family Foundation

    RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES

    When the "Person" Abusing Your Child is a Chatbot: The Tragic Story of Sewell Setzer

    What Can We Do About Abusive Chatbots? With Meetali Jain and Camille Carlton

    AI Is Moving Fast. We Need Laws that Will Too.

    The AI Dilemma
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  • Daniel Kokotajlo Forecasts the End of Human Dominance

    Daniel Kokotajlo Forecasts the End of Human Dominance
    Jul 17 2025

    In 2023, researcher Daniel Kokotajlo left OpenAI—and risked millions in stock options—to warn the world about the dangerous direction of AI development. Now he’s out with AI 2027, a forecast of where that direction might take us in the very near future.

    AI 2027 predicts a world where humans lose control over our destiny at the hands of misaligned, super-intelligent AI systems within just the next few years. That may sound like science fiction but when you’re living on the upward slope of an exponential curve, science fiction can quickly become all too real. And you don’t have to agree with Daniel’s specific forecast to recognize that the incentives around AI could take us to a very bad place.

    We invited Daniel on the show this week to discuss those incentives, how they shape the outcomes he predicts in AI 2027, and what concrete steps we can take today to help prevent those outcomes.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on X: @HumaneTech_. You can find a full transcript, key takeaways, and much more on our Substack.

    RECOMMENDED MEDIA
    The AI 2027 forecast from the AI Futures Project

    Daniel’s original AI 2026 blog post

    Further reading on Daniel’s departure from OpenAI

    Anthropic recently released a survey of all the recent emergent misalignment research

    Our statement in support of Sen. Grassley’s AI Whistleblower bill

    RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES

    The Narrow Path: Sam Hammond on AI, Institutions, and the Fragile Future
    AGI Beyond the Buzz: What Is It, and Are We Ready?

    Behind the DeepSeek Hype, AI is Learning to Reason
    The Self-Preserving Machine: Why AI Learns to Deceive

    Clarification: Daniel K. referred to whistleblower protections that apply when companies “break promises” or “mislead the public.” There are no specific private sector whistleblower protections that use these standards. In almost every case, a specific law has to have been broken to trigger whistleblower protections.
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This is a powerful “marriage” of insightful questioning and deep expertise. I could feel my IQ going up. 😉

Head Blown!

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Thinking back over the past ten years our lives have been consistently nudged by a small group of elite business people living on the west coast of Northern California. Driven by a need to maximize returns for capital investors and employee stockholders, these people stitched the disparate lives of citizens around the globe of many countries and states into expansive for-profit social networks. Now the threads tying billions of people into these social networks tug us in directions known and unknown, but primarily away from patience, presence, connection, and toward outrage, polarization and consumerism. While the effects of these trends on our individual and collective psychology have been rarely noticed and generally neglected until now, a growing movement has begun to pull back the curtain. We are angry with the manipulation, and intent on fixing it.

This podcast serially lays out in no uncertain terms the magnitude of the issue and possible paths forward. With guests who number among the most active and influential whistleblowers on this topic, it has become a comprehensive and inspiring guide to reclaiming our freedom in the digital space. Even beyond, it lays out various competing theories for constructing a socially, economically, and politically fair society that elevates human strengths instead of exploiting human weakness.

I Wish This Was Played In Schools

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This analytical summary shifted my consciousness. This format is so helpful. We should name and characterize this presentation format. I THINK THIS IS THE METHOD TO ENABLE PARALLEL learning and legislation. Thank You, Ben

Parallel Learning Legislation

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