Writing Without Clinging — Letting Go of the Outcome

There’s a strange tension in songwriting.
You sit down to create something honest… but somewhere along the way, the outcome sneaks in.
Will this be good? Will people like it? Will it stream? Will it define me?
In this episode, Nat and Mat talk about the subtle attachment artists develop to results — and how that attachment can quietly suffocate creativity.
We explore:
• Writing from pressure vs writing from presence • The fear of releasing imperfect work • Identity wrapped up in a song’s success • How letting go of outcome can actually make better art
This isn’t about pretending outcomes don’t matter.
It’s about noticing when they start driving the process.
If you’re a songwriter, producer, or creative of any kind — this conversation might feel uncomfortably familiar.
Make the song. Tell the truth. Then let it go.
— Nat & Mat

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
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