What Do We Do with That Ash?

In this episode of "Heart and Soulution," Mike and Kristen Jones, discuss relationships and grief. They begin with casual conversation about the end of their first podcast season, eventually revealing that they will be discussing the heavy topic of grief. They explore personal experiences with grief, noting that Kristen especially was not taught how to grieve effectively and that this avoidance proved problematic later in life. The conversation is informed by resources like the podcast, The Place We Find Ourselves, and Francis Weller's book, The Wild Edge of Sorrow, with the Mike and Kristen drawing parallels between Weller's concepts and biblical perspectives on mourning. They include the passage about beauty for ashes in Isaiah 61:3. Ultimately, they reflect on healthy grieving processes for individuals and couples, emphasizing the importance of not avoiding grief and offering support to those who are suffering.

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Reference material and Resources to dive deeper:

• Weller, Frances; The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief; 2015; North Atlantic Books.

• The Place We Find Ourselves podcast with Adam Young; Five part series on grief (episode 132).

• ⁠The YouVersion Bible App.⁠

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