Weaving the Human into the System (& Vice Versa) with Dr. José-Rodrigo Córdoba-Pachón

What does it mean to bring humanity back into our systems, and to see ourselves as part of them?

In this conversation, Dr. José-Rodrigo Córdoba-Pachón, Associate Professor at Royal Holloway, University of London, joins Marilyn Zakhour to explore the intersection of systems thinking, rituals, and the art of being. Together, they reflect on how leaders can find balance between doing and being, structure and spontaneity, efficiency and presence.

They discuss:
🔹 How philosophy, poetry, and systems thinking can inform modern leadership
🔹 The role of rituals in creating meaning, boundaries, and connection
🔹 Why reflection and lightness are essential to navigate complexity
🔹 How to design systems that leave space for silence, creativity, and humanity

This conversation invites leaders to slow down, question assumptions, and rediscover the simple, human truths at the heart of every system.