It's always easier to scapegoat and be in either/or....to do the blame-game either with ourselves in a victimizing shame spiral or with others in the worst kind of dehumanizing villainization. In this episode, Brie discusses the desire to move into a more loving stance of both/and, using her song "Run" as a starting point to a conversation with author Felicia Murrrell.

Felicia is a spiritual companion, speaker, certified master life coach with a deep understanding of what it means to be human, and is dedicated to empowering individuals to embrace who they already are and who Love is inviting them to be. Her latest book "And: The Restorative Power of Love in an Either/Or World," is out now.

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How does love soften our edges into a sweet unfurling of who we really are? In this episode, Brie uses her song "Bloom" as the basis for a rich, mystical conversation with Andreas Weber about ecological interdependence, love as enlivenment, and seeing through the eye of the heart.

Andreas Weber teaches at the University of the Arts, Berlin, and he lives in Berlin and Italy. His latest books include "Enlivenment: Toward a Poetics for the Anthropocene" and the book most discussed in this conversation, "Matter and Desire: An Erotic Ecology."

**Brie will be performing at SXSW next week, so production will hold for one week. Are you near the Austin area? Come on out to see her play! Check her website www.briestoner.com for show times and dates.

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Brie continues to unpack themes from her upcoming album, Me Veo, with Gideon Heugh. On this episode Brie shares a sneak peak of the song as well as the story behind it, and together with Gideon explores how solitude (Soledad) is the artist's invitation to presence and to pay attention to what really matters.

Gideon Heugh is a poet and environmentalist who lives in Berkshire, England. His latest collection of poetry, "Naming God," is out now.

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Unknowing podcast is only made possible through the direct support of its listeners. Please consider joining Brie in making Unknowing possible by

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