Train AI to Grow Your Brand (with Jason Barnard)

Seven AI systems—Google, ChatGPT, Perplexity, Claude, Copilot, Gemini, and Alexa—are talking to your prospects 24/7. They're either closing deals for you or sending customers to your competitors. Most business owners have never checked which one is happening.

In this episode, Jason Barnard, founder and CEO of Kalicube, reveals the exact framework to train AI systems to understand, trust, and recommend your brand.

After 27 years figuring out how algorithms think—starting with a cartoon blue dog that reached 5 million monthly visits—Jason cracked the code on what makes AI promote your business instead of your competitor's.

Jason coined "Brand SERP" (2012) and "AI Assistive Agent Optimization" (2025), and his Kalicube platform tracks 73 million brand profiles across Search Engines, Knowledge Graphs, and Large Language Models.

You'll discover why the traditional SEO playbook is only one-third of the equation, how to make AI your most effective sales team, and the non-negotiable foundation for brand survival in the AI era.

Key Moments in This Conversation

00:00 - Introduction: Meet the Pioneer Who Cracked the AI Code

03:00 - How a $100K Deal Loss Led to a Digital Marketing Breakthrough

09:00 - The 60-Second Formula: How to Control What AI Says About You

10:20 - The Algorithmic Trinity: Mastering Search, Knowledge Graphs, and AI Chatbots

19:40 - Why AI Recognizes AI Content and How to Beat the Algorithm

21:10 - ChatGPT vs Gemini vs Claude: Which AI Has the Right Personality

27:30 - Making Your Content Tasty for Algorithms: The New SEO Strategy

30:00 - Claim, Frame, Prove: The Three-Step Method to Win AI's Trust

35:00 - The Due Diligence Rabbit Hole: How to Audit What AI Really Knows

42:30 - AI Agents Are Already Spending $50 Million: The Future of Purchases

Take control of what AI says about your brand

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Learn more about Jason👉 https://jasonbarnard.com

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