In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Johan Roos, Global Chief Academic Officer at Hult International Business School, co-creator of LEGO Serious Play, and author of Human Magic: Leading with Wisdom in an Age of Algorithms.

00:30: Introductions — A Long Friendship and a New Book

6:00: The Genesis of Human Magic — The Central Question

10:34: The History Behind the Idea, From 2012 to ChatGPT

17:58: The Five Cs: The Core of Human Magic

22:42: Algorithmic Citizenship vs. Professional Citizenship

28:24: The Junior Talent Problem and Unintended Consequences

35:50: AI in Business Schools and Lessons from Hult Business School

40:04: The Future of Business Schools and the MBA

44:08: Rethinking the Role of the Professor

50:35: What Human Magic Hopes to Accomplish

53:45: Science Fiction, Warning Signs, and "Your Choice"

55:06:What's Next for Johan Roos

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In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Deborah Perry Piscione, co-author of the book “EMPLOYMENT IS DEAD: How Disruptive Technologies are Revolutionizing the Way we Work” and co-founder and Chief Future Officer of the Work3 Institute.

0:22: Welcome and Introduction to “Employment is Dead”

1:39: The Core Thesis: Why Employment as We Know It Is Ending

6:18 The Destruction of Jobs: AI, Humanoids, and Physical Work

14:18: Carlota Perez’s Theory of Economic Transitions

17:54: The Work3 Institute: Advising Organizations Through the Shift

20:32: Education: What K–12 and Universities Must Become

27:23 Alpha Schools and New Models for Learning

31:00 Economics, Purpose, and the Meaning Crisis

37:40 Humanoids, AI Relationships, and Human Identity

42:49 Optimism, Pessimism, and Where We Stand

50:11 What Leaders and Organizations Should Do Now

52:15 Where to Learn More

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In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, welcomes Sangeet Paul Choudary– expert on platform economics and network effects, and the recipient of the 2025 Thinkers50 Strategy Award – to discuss his new book Reshuffle.

0:00 - Intro & Teaser

0:31 - Welcome & Guest Introduction (Sangeet Choudary, author of "Reshuffle")

1:49 - The Maginot Line Analogy: Why We're Solving the Wrong Problem with AI

4:07 - AI's Automation Lens vs. the Coordination Lens

5:02 - AI's Real Impact: Changing How the Economy Connects

7:15 - What Inspired the Book "Reshuffle"

9:40 - The Shipping Container Analogy: Lessons for AI

11:21 - From Port Automation to Systemic Transformation

13:04 - How AI Makes Tacit & Unstructured Knowledge Usable

15:35 - AI's Impact on Jobs & Roles: What Really Disappears

17:51 - Coordination as AI's Magical Property

18:27 - What AI Means for Strategy

19:08 - From Operational Uncertainty to Structural Uncertainty

19:51 - Industry Boundaries Are Collapsing

21:46 - The New Way to Win: Reshaping the Playing Field

26:51 - The TikTok Example: Intelligence-First vs. Social Graph

29:34 - Shein & AI-Driven Fast Fashion

33:45 - Sephora: AI as a Consumer Decision-Making Assistant

36:13 - Solution Providers vs. Tool Providers (Two Strategic Roles)

41:55 - What Will Happen to Consulting?

44:22 - New Business Models: Rentable, Recombinable & Scalable (Mr. Beast Burgers)

48:30 - Sangeet's Next Book: "Unfair Advantage"

51:01 - The Dynamics of Transition: From Petroleum Age to Digital

53:00 - Apple's Masterclass in Value Migration (iPod → iPhone)

57:37 - Closing Remarks & Farewell

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