This is Not Normal

In this episode of The Things We Know, Kari and Lisa name the moment we're living in without softening it or pretending it's business as usual. They talk honestly about the emotional and nervous system toll of staying awake to what's happening in the world, why disengagement is no longer a neutral choice, and how caring deeply right now comes with a real cost. Drawing from their work as coaches, mothers, and women paying close attention, they explore how to stay engaged without burning out, why regulation is not avoidance but capacity-building, and how community helps keep despair from taking over. This is a conversation about moral distress, presence, and what it means to remain human, grounded, and connected in a time that feels anything but normal.

And if this conversation stirred a desire not just to stay informed, but to stay human and resourced in the midst of it all, there is still a small window to join Kari and Lisa at the Unstoppable: A Best Chapter Yet Retreat in Palm Springs, February 27–March 1, 2026. The retreat is a place to slow down, tend to your nervous system, reflect on your own story, and reconnect with what gives you steadiness and courage for the long road ahead. More details and registration are linked above if this feels like the kind of support you've been needing.

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