In this conversation, Emily sits down with Jenny Odell — artist and author of "Saving Time" and "How to Do Nothing" — to explore the importance of reclaiming our attention and time in a digital age. We explore how "learning" is becoming a lost art (and what to do about that),

experience and the role of technology in shaping our lives. From years of observation, research and her own study, Jenny brings a world-changing perspective to how we find our freedom from the forces that pull to commodify and measure every minute and relationship in our lives.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The moment at summer camp that shaped how Jenny thinks about learning, presence, and attention
• How we can retain human agency in a world constantly fighting for our attention
• The historical roots of "productivity culture" and how it lives on today
• The role of language in shaping our relationship to time
• What the "attention economy" is and the impact it is having
• Why people sitting in a circle might be "the highest form of human existence"
• The nuance beneath the statement "the internet is bad"
• Why repair cafes, cooperatives, and habitat restoration projects point toward the world we're trying to build inside the one we're currently in

Resources & Links

• Connect with Jenny at her website, www.jennyodell.com, on instagram https://www.instagram.com/jennitaur/ or on Mastadon https://social.coop/@jennitaur/
• Check out her books How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy , Inhabiting Negative Space and Saving Time: Discovering a Life Beyond the Clock
• Also mentioned in this episode: iNaturalist, Mastodon, The Repair Cafe movement, Vivarium (2019 film), An Immense World by Ed Yong

Bring this conversation into practice:

• Join The Third Space, a practice prayer and play space to bring these visions to life with other "revillagers" who are tending to their communities IRL. Learn more or sign up here: www.revillagingmama.com/offers#thethirdspace

To stay in touch:

• Follow This Is How We Care on Instagram
• Send an email to Emily at emily@thisishowwecare.com
• Read the transcript over at thisishowwecare.com

In this episode of This Is How We Care, I’m joined by Diane Alisa, author of "A Love Letter to Suburbia: How to Restore the American Village", for a conversation that names what SO many families feel, but haven’t had language for.

We explore how suburbia, car dependence, and zoning laws have shaped our experience of motherhood, fatherhood, childhood, community, and care itself.

If you’ve ever wondered why:

• Parenting feels isolating

• Community feels hard to access

• Children no longer roam and elders live alone

• The “stay-at-home vs working parent” debate feels impossible


This episode holds the answers. We talk about:

• Why suburbia quietly dismantled the village
(and our experience of trust and community)
• How car-centric design impacts family life and mental health

• The loss of shared wealth, skills, and multigenerational living

• Why zoning laws matter more than we think

• And how neighbors—not corporations or politicians—are the key to rebuilding community

To connect with Diane Alisa:

• Check out her website - https://dianealisa.carrd.co/
• Buy her book - https://shop.ingramspark.com/b/084?params=DzokccGrMt2slF5KQFCXsDMDM5wVCTuLCmYrttV9FmX
• Follow her on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/diane_alisa

For mentorship, coaching and strategic support as you create community in your life, work with Emily (the Revillaging Mama):

• Apply for the 4-Month 1:1 Mentorship program, "Revillage Your Life" - www.revillagingmama.com/offers
• Online community of other "Revillagers" at The Third Space - www.revillagingmama.com/offers#thethirdspace

Stay Connected:

• This is How We Care on instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thisishowwecare
• Revillaging Mama on instagram - https://www.instagram.com/revillagingmama
• This is How We Care on Substack - https://thisishowwecare.substack.com/
• Revillaging Mama on Substack - https://substack.com/@emilycares
• Send Emily an email at emily@thisishowwecare.com

In this episode of This Is How We Care, we sit down with developmental psychologist and author Dr. Darcia Narvaez to explore what children—and humanity—truly need to thrive.

Drawing from neuroscience, anthropology, Indigenous wisdom, and decades of research, Dr. Narvaez introduces the concept of the Evolved Nest: the caregiving system humans evolved with for 99% of our history—and how far modern culture has drifted from it.

Together, Emily and Darcia unpack how early “undercare” shapes everything from individual anxiety to collective violence, how capitalism and colonization disrupted our natural caregiving systems, and what it looks like to return—without shame—to a more connected, communal, and life-affirming way of raising children.

This conversation weaves together science, spirituality, grief, and hope, offering practical, everyday ways to begin re-nesting ourselves, our families, and our communities—starting now.

This episode covers:

• What the Evolved Nest actually is (and why babyhood matters so much)
• How “undercare” shapes adult disconnection, greed, and burnout
• The role of touch, play, breastfeeding, and communal caregiving
• Why nature connection and music are essential to human regulation
• How the “Wetiko” mindset took hold—and how we heal it
• Why children (and adults) need to be welcomed, not given "independence training"
• How to begin rebuilding village even inside modern life

This episode is an invitation to remember who we are, what we need, and the kind of world our children are asking us to build.

To Connect with Dr. Narvaez:

• Website: https://nestedworld.org/
• Become a "Nesting Ambassador": https://nestedworld.org/nesting-ambassadors/
• Read "Restoring the Kinship Worldview"
• Read "The Evolved Nest"

To Work with Emily — the Revillaging Mama:

• Revillage Your Life – A 4-month mentorship container to transform your experience from "isolated" to "supported", bringing to life much of what Darcia speaks about in the importance of community and village
• The Third Space – A community of revillagers bringing the village to life through practice, prayer and play
• The Village Upgrade – A quick upgrade to align your precious resources of time, energy & money with the village you are calling in
• BOOK A FREE DISCOVERY CALL to explore the next layer of support for your revillaging journey