Kevin Kelly is a co-founder of Wired Magazine and a renowned author and futurist. Decades ago, Kevin predicted much of today's technological and cultural landscape. In this discussion, he presents his new bold vision for what’s coming next: The Handoff to Bots.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• Why declining populations will radically reshape economies
• What a bot-to-bot economy could look and feel like
• Why people of the future might be paid to read emails
• How AI could help humanity find deeper purpose
• Why this future might be closer than you think

Kevin’s links:

Website/blog: https://kk.org/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/kevin2kelly

Instagram: / kevin2kelly

Azeem's links:

Substack: https://www.exponentialview.co/

Website: https://www.azeemazhar.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/azhar?ori...

Twitter/X: https://x.com/azeem

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(02:17) The baby black hole behind Kevin's theory

(10:49) Kevin's thesis: The handoff to bots

(15:05) This world is closer than we think

(19:32) The role of humans in this new world

(21:23) Could monopoly influence pose a problem?

(28:33) The nature of “struggle” in this new world

(32:42) Could we see countries competing for population?

(36:06) How a scarcity of humans might change what we value

(42:30) What would 1994 Kevin think of 2025 Kevin's blog?

Production:

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