Chuck and Kevin Klinkenberg explore why progress comes from people who stop waiting for permission and start doing things locally. They look at incremental developers, neighborhood groups, and the limits of top-down systems in cities like Kansas City. Along the way, they wrestle with incentives, housing, and how much order a city actually needs.

• Kevin Klinkenberg (LinkedIn)
• The Messy City Podcast (Spotify)
• The Messy City (Substack)
• The Messy City (Site)
• Chuck Marohn (Substack)

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Chuck Marohn and Tony Dutzik unpack the messy history of the gas tax, cross‑subsidies between states, and the moral story drivers were told about “user fees.” They revisit highway revolts, the rise of federal transit funding, and the long slide into Highway Trust Fund bailouts. Their conversation lays out stark choices for the next chapter of national transportation policy.

• Tony Dutzik (LinkedIn)
• Call "Time Out" on Highway Boondoggles (Article)
• Frontier Group (Site)
• What Comes After the Interstate Era? | New Report (Youtube)
• Read the Mission Accomplished White Paper.
• Chuck Marohn (Substack)

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In this moderated panel at the REACH Ideas + Action Summit, Chuck Marohn and California Forever’s Jim Wunderman tackle California’s housing crisis from two very different angles: maturing existing neighborhoods and building a brand‑new city. Together they wrestle with whether local reforms, new towns, or both can deliver real affordability in places like Santa Barbara and beyond.

• California Forever (Site)
• REACH (LinkedIn)
• Jim Wunderman (LinkedIn)
• Jocelyn Brennan (LinkedIn)
• Chuck Marohn (Substack)

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