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The sport we love is growing up, and that’s a good thing—if we build it right. I’m joined by athlete and agent Nick Cornell of Trailhead Athlete Management to dig into what “professional” actually looks like in trail running: livable contracts, smarter bonuses, real anti-doping, and a path that lets athletes focus on performance without losing the grassroots soul that makes this community special.

Nick shares how he went from thru-hiking the Triple Crown to winning Montana 50Ks and managing athletes who train 20 hours a week while juggling logistics, content, deliverables, and travel. We unpack what brands want beyond results—genuine people with presence—and why short trail deserves more investment alongside ultras. We also talk hard numbers: why most pros still sit in the low five figures, how a league minimum could change that, and where healthcare and PT stipends fit in. If you’ve wondered whether rumors of huge salaries are real, or how to negotiate your first deal, Nick gives grounded, practical insight.

We go deep on legitimacy and the World Mountain and Trail Championships—federations offering team camps and big bonuses, the realities of kit rules, and why national team results should be bonused just like track. From out-of-competition testing to non-endemic sponsors—cars, banks, tourism boards, food brands—we explore the funding models that could unlock full-time careers without sidelining local races. The takeaway is hopeful: keep the watermelon at aid stations and the big stages on the calendar. With smarter structure, everyone wins.

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A brand doesn’t become real the day the website goes live—it becomes real the day someone beats it up on a mountain and still reaches for it the next morning. That’s the heart of our conversation with Dust founder Zach Colby, who walked away from politics to build a running brand rooted in the Mountain West: trails, dirt, big days, and gear that doesn’t need babysitting.

We trace the idea back to Boulder, where Zach saw a clear gap. The urban-run-club look had its champions, but the West’s mix of gravel, alpine, and singletrack culture felt underserved. Dust answers with simple, durable pieces that carry a Western soul—led by the mechanic shirt, a breathable button-down designed to race, ride, and recover. Zach breaks down the less glamorous side too: hunting for the right factory, negotiating MOQs, iterating fabric weights across time zones, and learning that a great sample is earned, not ordered.

From there, we get into launch mechanics and marketing without the fluff. Boxes stacked in an apartment, a Shopify backend, word-of-mouth over ads, and photography that actually reflects how people move outside. We talk about the Dust Bus—a retired sheriff’s van now turned rolling pop-up—and why in-person events, beer miles, and race weekends matter more than impressions. Zach also shares what’s next: a women’s line with a dedicated designer, tech-forward shorts and tights, and an interest in a lightweight, no-nonsense running belt that disappears on the run.

If you care about trail running, niche outdoor brands, or the craft behind gear that holds up mile after mile, this one will hit. Tap play, then tell us what piece you wish more brands would build. And if you’re vibing with the show, subscribe, share with a trail friend, and leave a quick review—it helps more runners find us.

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A sharpening workout at 10,000 feet. A sudden stab in the chest. Vision slipping. Hours later, Abby Locke learned her right lung had collapsed—and that was only the beginning. Across one summer she weathered three collapses, seven chest tubes, helicopter flights, and two surgeries, then found her way back to 50-mile weeks with a new definition of strength.

We talk through the full arc with honesty and grit: the ER chaos, hospital routines, and why “take it easy” is dangerous advice for driven athletes. Abby details the shift from vague rest to a precise, metrics-based return—heart rate caps, minutes-based progressions, and a deliberate habit of undershooting. We dig into the identity quake that comes when sport is stripped away, and how watercolor, friendship, and a gentler mindset helped her rebuild. She shares practical wisdom on training by feel, listening for pain signals, and balancing risk without living in fear.

We also explore what’s next: genetic testing, altitude questions, and a smart path toward longer trail races where intensity spikes are fewer. Abby opens up about coaching, sub-ultra roots, and why the northeast’s technical trails deserve more love. The takeaway is bigger than running: gratitude changes performance, diversified meaning sustains motivation, and a broader life makes you braver on race day.

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Ready to stop signing up for everything and start building a season that actually fits your life? We sit down with CTS coach Addison Smith to design a smarter year from the ground up: choosing an A race that truly motivates you, mapping B and C races that build skill without burnout, and matching training blocks to your goal’s specific demands. Whether you’re eyeing a first 50K or sharpening for a 100-mile bid, this conversation turns vague intentions into a practical plan.

We break down the three-phase progression that drives long-term growth—learning to train, learning to race, and learning to win—and show how each stage shapes your calendar. Addison explains how to dial intensity by race duration and athlete level, why mid-packers often race best with more zone two than they think, and how to layer in threshold and marathon-effort work at the right time. We also get real about volume and recovery: minimum viable hours for 50K, 100K, and 100 mile, the risk of copying pro training, and how to avoid the all-in gambles that lead to burnout.

Fueling myths get a major reality check. That 100 to 120 grams of carbs per hour? It only works if your pace and gut training support it. Most runners succeed at 60 to 90 grams per hour with fewer GI blow-ups. We walk through a simple framework to personalize hydration with a one-time sodium sweat test and easy at-home sweat rate tests, so your plan adapts from cold starts to hot, exposed climbs. Plus, actionable race routines, post-race debriefs, and candid insights from crewing at Javelina help you execute calmly when it counts.

If lotteries didn’t go your way—or life’s time budget got tight—you’ll hear how to pivot without losing momentum. Subscribe for more coaching-focused episodes, share this with a training partner who’s planning their season, and leave a quick review so we know which topics to dig into next. Your next PR starts with a better plan—let’s build it together.

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A week after tackling a steep Canadian classic, two-time Leadville champion Adrian Macdonald joins us to chart a season that nearly went off the rails—and how he brought it back. After Western States left him drained and “half-sick,” bloodwork confirmed anemia. Adrian pressed pause on workouts, added iron, and rebuilt with patience. That decision reshaped his plans: fewer hero efforts, more deliberate steps. Now he’s heading to Ultra‑Trail Cape Town’s 100 miler to practice night pacing, big vert management, and problem‑solving—key skills he wants dialed before returning to UTMB.

We trace Adrian’s path from Massachusetts soccer and college track to Boston road marathons and, finally, Colorado trails. Winning Leadville unlocked travel, sponsorship, and a renewed sense of racing—not just time‑trials—but it also brought pressure and a few humbling lessons. He learned race specificity the hard way: the same engine that crushes runnable high altitude doesn’t guarantee success on technical, hour‑long burners. His solution is pragmatic and refreshing. Choose one major ultra a year, sometimes two. Add short, sub‑ultra mountain races as tune‑ups to sharpen nerves, descents, and pacing without the deep fatigue of an ultra. Mix in East Coast staples like Mount Washington for nostalgia and family time, and lean on a supportive Fort Collins crew—mentors like Nick Clark and training partners who keep the work honest.

We also go inside the On Running ecosystem, where rapid gear innovation and a cross‑discipline team culture keep Adrian inspired. From plated trail shoes to polished kits, he’s part of a brand sprinting forward while still celebrating the messy, human side of ultras. If you’ve wondered how to rebuild after a rough race, plan a smarter season, or pick courses that actually fit your strengths, this is your blueprint. Enjoy the story, steal the strategies, and tell us what big race you’re targeting next. If this conversation resonates, follow the show, leave a quick review, and share it with a friend who loves big climbs and bigger comebacks.

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A tailbone crash on a triangle rock. A season of strange falls and late-race cramping. And then a decision to tear it all down and rebuild. We sit with Dan Curts to map the truth behind his 2025 campaign, from a promising start at Canyons to a frustrating run through Iger, ETC, and Plitz Alpin Glacier. The thread is unglamorous and vital: when the posterior chain shuts down, quads overwork, climbing implodes, and even the best descenders can’t press when it matters.

Dan walks us through a hard reset with coach Jack Kenzel—starting with a track-based drift test to lock in real aerobic limits, adding heavy strength to hit a baseline of force, and then pressing the volume button with sustained climbs, daily vert, and technical footwork. We dig into why he believes cramping is a muscular endurance problem more than a bottle problem, how heart rate caps keep ego in check, and why Northeast granite and mud might prep athletes better for Europe than endless sunshine ever will.

We also zoom out. Short trail is growing, but it needs stars, live coverage, and sharper storytelling. Dan shares what Europe gets right—stacked fields, iconic venues, and snackable highlight reels—and how U.S. races can catch up with consistent live streams, honest athlete recaps, and creative embeds that show how fast “runnable” really looks. Gear matters too: lighter, grippier shoes like the Cascadia Elite change what’s sustainable at speed on wet rock and alpine grass, expanding both safety and excitement.

If you care about subultra trail, this is the blueprint: build durability, race smart, tell the story well, and make it easy to watch. Hit play, then tell us—what race do you want live-streamed next? And if you’re new here, follow, share, and drop a quick review so more runners can find the show.

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A short trail host, a 214-mile finish, and a brutally honest look at what it really takes to cross a 200-mile line with your head still on straight. Franc returns fresh off the Mammoth 200 to unpack the race that started as a joke and turned into a test of logistics, mindset, and pain tolerance. We talk about the fast first day that had him mixing it with the leaders, the sandy fire roads that shredded his feet, and the moment—somewhere around mile 114—when he had to find a real why or walk off the course.

We go deep on the parts most recaps skip. How do you structure sleep so you stop dozing while walking? What does smart foot care actually look like under constant sand—washing, lube, taping, sock swaps—and how fast does neglect ruin a great engine? Why does some pain feel worse when you walk than when you jog? Franc shares what worked in his fueling (steady gels and real food, zero stomach drama), what didn’t (delayed foot fixes), and why crew can make or break a second night. We also zoom out to the front of the race: how Jimmy Elam proved 200s can be fast and how Rachel Enterkin’s relentless push hints at a new era for the distance.

Training takeaways are clear and actionable: build volume patiently, treat heavy strength work as a durability cornerstone, and test your sleep and foot systems long before race week. We touch tough edges too—microdosing debates, WADA rules, appetite suppression risks, and the boundaries of sobriety—without glamorizing shortcuts. If you’re eyeing Sedona 125, Cocodona, or any race where days blur and aid stations feel like islands, this conversation gives you a roadmap and a reality check.

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A month after Canfranc, the dust has settled but the stories still sting—sometimes literally. We sat down with Team USA leaders Paul Kirsch and Tom Hooper to unpack a world championship defined by raw terrain, tight logistics, and athletes who found another gear when it mattered most. If you watched the medals, you saw the headlines. If you listen here, you’ll hear the blueprint.

We start where results are made: planning. Paul and Tom pull back the curtain on selection debates, athlete travel, hotel puzzles, kit approvals, and an aid station operation designed for seconds, not comfort. Imagine three staff crewing a dozen athletes off a single table while frost slicks the rocks, ground wasps erupt near the trail, and two bulls jog past a sunrise checkpoint. That’s the reality of world-level trail—messy, improvised, and relentlessly precise.

From there we dig into racing. The long and short trail routes tilted skyward and technical, but champions like Jim Walmsley and Katie Schide still rose, proving that range and resilience travel across terrain. Hillary Gerardi stepped from VK to 80K to keep the team whole. Short trail newcomers like Jane and Ruby showed composure well beyond their caps. The vertical and classic squads highlighted rising stars—Anna Gibson, Cam Smith—and real team tactics, with athletes working together late to lock in points, cross-country style. Meanwhile, U20 athletes arrived with true mountain chops, signaling a pipeline ready to meet a deeper, more global field that now includes full squads from Uganda and Kenya and breakthrough team medals from nations like Canada.

We also talk about the gap that still holds the sport back: brand buy-in. Many athletes earn no bonuses for worlds and must choose between country and paycheck. With more sponsor support—following models we already see in track and the Olympics—world championships could become the premier stage they deserve to be. South Africa is next, and with the right mix of citizen races, media, and partners, the scene could match the spectacle.

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