High school mid-distance sensation Cole Boone joins us today, fresh off two monumental performances in March that have solidified him as a national champion.

Cole, a junior at Pulaski County High School in Dublin, Virginia, has been crushing the 2025 campaign so far. The bar is set high for his senior campaign next fall.

On March 4 at the Virginia High School League Class 3 State Indoor Championships held at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Cole set a new national high school indoor record in the 1,000m with a time of 2:20.14.

Cole then competed in the New Balance Nationals Indoor meet in Boston, where he delivered an impressive 1:48.29 in the 800m to win the championship and claim his first national title as a junior. This is the second-fastest national high school 800m indoor time this year.

Cole has been grinding since middle school, when he ran a 2:10 in the 800m as a 7th grader. He currently runs 25-30 miles a week as a mid-distance guy and has lofty goals for the future.

His current PRs outside of the 800m and 1,000m include:

• 400m Outdoor: 49.82

• 1600m Outdoor: 4:07.05

• One Mile Outdoor: 4:08.60

• 3200m Indoor: 9:33.63

In today's conversation, Cole walks me through his breakout year, what went into it, living on a farm, his ambitions for the future, what his training looks like, inside his 1K National Record, his plans for outdoor, and much more. Tap into the Cole Boone Special.

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INTRODUCING: THE RUN DOWN BY THE RUNNING EFFECT

The Run Down isn’t just a newsletter. It’s a field manual for runners who want to master the mental, physical, and philosophical game of distance running—and life.

Every week, professional running coach and former D1 All-American Alex Ostberg distills hard-earned insights from world-class athletes, top-tier coaches, and personal trial-and-error into bite-sized, actionable takeaways.

This is not another “how to run your best 5K” email. This is where performance meets purpose.

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Reverse-engineered breakdowns of how elite runners train, think, recover, and compete

Hard-won lessons from failures, injuries, and comebacks—so you don’t have to repeat them

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Curated insights from the greatest thinkers—on and off the track

If you’ve ever:

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Performance and sport expert Dr. Jim Taylor returns to the show to discuss Dominic’s recent running of the Knoxville Marathon and the impact their work together had on his experience.

Dominic, who ran a 3:33 marathon on April 6 with only two weeks of training, circles back with Dr. Taylor, who holds his Ph.D. in Psychology.

Dr. Taylor’s clientele includes professional, Olympic, collegiate and junior-elite athletes in skiing, cycling, triathlon, tennis, track and field, squash, fencing, swimming, football, golf, and many more. He is the author of 18 books (that have been translated into 10 languages) and can be seen at various speaking engagements throughout the world.

Dr. Taylor maintains a popular blog that has been read by more than 10 million people. Prior to his consulting and coaching he was a world-ranked alpine ski racer. He has run a sub 3-hour marathon, completed an Ironman, and is a two-time national and three-time world championship medal-winning age-group triathlete.

Dr. Taylor, who has helped thousands of athletes with the mental side of performance, founded the impressive Prime Performance System that he uses with clients, which focuses on the mental areas athletes can hone in on during training.

In today's conversation, Dr. Jim walks us through goal setting, whether people set too big of goals or small of goals, what he does, his favorite books he's ever written, how to handle pressure, and pre-race nerves, and so much more.

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The journey of Jackson Heidesch is one of unbridled honesty and crushing heartbreak.

From high school standout to oft-injured Duke student-athlete, Jackson Heidesch has been forced to deal with more than just physical maladies.

It's been 18 months of toil, rehab and bouts of depression for the Iowa native, who is now opening up about his mental health struggles. Jackson will be taking a designated pause from the NCAA to redshirt the entire indoor and outdoor season.

Although he's been through ringer in his short running career, he seems to be setting the stage for a resurgence on and off the track and grass.

Jackson's hardships since agreeing to run for Duke include a couple of grade 4 stress fractures; mono, and the aforementioned depression. With a combination of family support and talk therapy, in addition to physical therapy work–Jackson has come out the other side of this dark tunnel ready to get back to logging miles and competing with the best in the country.

Jackson was the 2022-23 Gatorade Boys Cross Country Player of the Year for Iowa, where he broke the 4 minute mile barrier to break the state record, running a 3:59.08 at the HOKA Festival of Miles. That year he also swept the 1600m and 3200m titles at the state meet, running a 4:07.28 and a 9:08.86, respectively.

In today's conversation, Jackson takes me through his past two years of ups and downs, how he became aware of his mental health, his plans going into the future, and so much more.

This one is deep, raw, emotional, take the time to be blessed by Jackson's vulnerability and share with someone you know.

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Villanova's Liam Murphy is quickly etching his name into the record books.

Fresh off shattering the NCAA 1500m record with a blistering 3:33.02 at the Raleigh Relays, Liam joins the show today to discuss his recent run of success on the track.

Since December, Liam has set school records in the 3,000m (with a time of 7:35.47) and the 5,000m (with a time of 13:10.42) in addition to being a key cog on the school’s relay teams.

The Millstone, New Jersey, native’s records and achievements could fill a small tome–in addition to the 3,000 and 5,000m school records he also holds the Villanova indoor mile record (3:53.85) and was a member of the 4x1 mile relay team that ran a 15:51.91 at the 2024 Penn Relays, which today stands as the second-fastest outdoor mile relay time in the world.

At the NCAA Division 1 Indoor Championships in May, Liam came in fourth in the 3,000m and 11th in the 5,000m.

At Allentown High School, Liam was the Gatorade New Jersey Boys Cross Country Player of the Year and Boys Track & Field Player of the Year in 2019-20; in addition to winning the 3200m title at the Indoor Meet of Champions in 2019.

Liam’s trajectory to success was crystal clear even in high school, where he ran personal bests of 4:11 in the 1600m and 8:54 in the 3200m.

In today's conversation, Liam takes me through almost every single big performance over the past year and a half. Through this conversation you'll get a look into one of the best runners ever in the NCAA.

You won't want to miss this conversation.

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Registered Dietitian and running coach Cortney Berling joins the show to cut through the noise of diet culture and teach us how to fuel smart for long-term running success.

Cortney, also a Certified Diabetes Instructor, mother of three (ages 1, 3 and 5), and military spouse (her husband is activeduty Marine Corps) has a diverse background in sports and nutrition.

Originally from Medina, Ohio, she ran cross country and track at The University of Cincinnati. She earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Nutrition from Cincinnati, completed her Dietetic Internship at the Cleveland Clinic, and obtained her Master’s of Public Health from Liberty University.

Cortney’s mission is to educate runners on how to integrate smart, intuitive eating and sports nutrition into their regimen for optimal performance on the roads, trails and track. According to her site, she wants to help runners improve their performance while not obsessing over food, which is a real struggle for many of us.

As Cortney likes to say, “you don't have to be thin to win.” She herself is no slouch on the roads: she has PRs of 17:10 in the 5k, 1:19.19 in the half marathon, and 2:57 in the marathon.

In today's conversation, Cortney shares key insights on fueling and nutrition, the differences between fueling for both genders, a deep-dive into fueling during your period, why how much you eat is more important than what you eat, and tons more.

This episode is PACKED with valuable info. Don't miss it.

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Personal challenges have not dimmed the force that is Sam Gilman.

A former Air Force Academy distance star, Sam came into the New Year with a blast, securing bronze at the USA Indoor Track & Field Championships in February with a time of 7:38.64 in the 3,000m.

Sam followed that up with a 7:34.69 on March 2 at Boston University, a new PR for the distance. Sam has additional PRs of 13:15.58 in the 5k, 3:35.40 in the 1500m, 3:52.81 in the mile, and 1:52.50 in the 800m.

Sam’s impressive start to the New Year earned him a spot on Team USA for the USATF Indoor Championships in China; he clocked a 7:47.19, and was 0.1 seconds shy of a podium finish, claiming fourth in the 3,000m.

Sam was a two-time All-American at Air Force; he finished 5th in the 2022 NCAA outdoor 5K championship and 6th in the 2021 NCAA XC Championship. He graduated in 2023, and is currently heading out to Utah to train with Grant Fisher and his well-respected coach, Mike Scannell.

Sam went to Hilton Head High School in South Carolina, where he accounted for two state titles in the 1600m, and one in the 800m and 3200m. He also set a South Carolina state record in the mile with a time of 4:06.50.

In today's conversation, Sam walks me through his time as a professional runner, his performance at World Indoors, getting accepted into WCAP, lessons from training with Grant Fisher, his ambitions for the future, and so much more.

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Sports scientist, running coach, and all-around badass Jonah Rosner is here today—ready to drop knowledge and level up our understanding of running science.

Jonah is an applied sport scientist based out of Brooklyn, New York. He has spent the past 10 years working with athletes and teams from all major American Professional Team sports.

Most recently, Jonah was the applied sport science coordinator for the Houston Texans in the NFL. At 25 years old, he was one of the youngest sports scientists in NFL history.

Jonah specializes in using the latest sport science technology and testing to individualize running and strength programs for athletes. He recently partnered with Nike to run the Nike Running Performance Lab in New York City.

Jonah is a consistent presence on Instagram (he has 54.4 thousand followers), where he routinely drops reels and posts diving deep into all things running training. Your favorite runner's runner probably follows him–no joke.

You will be bookmarking this man's posts for years to come, we promise.

In addition, his newsletter is terrific and it's a place where he shares science-backed tips on how to optimize marathon performance.

Jonah is no slouch himself: he has a marathon PR of 2:57–which he ran at the Chicago Marathon. Check him out on Strava, where he routinely runs 80-90 mile weeks while also strength training a few days a week.

In today's conversation, we discuss Zone2 Training, Threshold, Supershoes, the benefits of strength training, Jonah's background in sports science, and so much more.

You will not want to miss this conversation. It is PACKED with wisdom.

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