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The Rules Are Different

The Rules Are Different

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What if leadership came with a different set of rules depending on who you are?


Recorded live at the MCEL (Men of Color in Educational Leadership) 2025 National Convening, Dr. Sito Narcisse and Tatiana Echevarria sit down with Harrison Peters, CEO & Co-Founder of MCEL, to unpack the unspoken survival framework leaders of color navigate every day.


This isn’t just about code switching.

It’s about equilibrium.

It’s about perception.

It’s about mastering competencies at a level where the margin for error disappears.


In this powerful conversation, they discuss:

• Why leaders of color can’t “slam the door” the way others can

• The emotional double standards in leadership spaces

• The pressure to be twice as good just to be considered equal

• The historical roots of survival frameworks, including the Green Book

• How identity, resilience, and intentional leadership shape educational outcomes

• Why this work is bigger than individuals and about legacy


Harrison Peters brings over two decades of experience in education leadership, from classroom teacher to state turnaround superintendent, and now CEO of MCEL. A U.S. Navy veteran and national leader in equity-centered leadership development, he has helped secure millions in grants, increase graduation rates, and mentor the next generation of diverse leaders.


This conversation is about power.

It’s about preparation.

It’s about understanding the rules of the game while working to change them.

If you care about education, leadership, equity, and the future of our schools, this episode is essential viewing.


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