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The Rising Podcast with Melanie Penn

The Rising Podcast with Melanie Penn

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Can we believe the resurrection of Christ actually happened? The Rising Podcast with Melanie Penn delves into the historicity of the resurrection and how this event changed human history—past and future! We interview authors, historians, personalities, and academics to dive deeper into this key historical event that changed human history. The conversations between a contemporary songwriter and members of the scholastic community will offer rare moments of insight for believers and skeptics. Melanie Penn introduces this podcast with the launch of her album, The Rising.Copyright Four Eyes Media Espiritualidad
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  • Heaven Is Not the End: The Radical Truth of the Physical Resurrection ft. N.T. Wright

    Heaven Is Not the End: The Radical Truth of the Physical Resurrection ft. N.T. Wright
    Mar 12 2026
    In this powerful, long-anticipated conversation, Melanie welcomes renowned Bible scholar and former bishop N.T. Wright (Tom) to discuss the central truth of the Christian faith: the resurrection. Tom unpacks the radical, and often misunderstood, nature of Christ’s physical resurrection as a “new creation prototype” and explains why the ultimate Christian hope is not simply “going to Heaven,” but for new Heavens and a new earth. Drawing from his extensive work in The Resurrection of the Son of God and Surprised by Hope, Tom’s rigorous, Scripture-first approach directly confronts popular, Plato-influenced understandings of the soul, the afterlife, and the timeline of God’s final work. Thought-Provoking Quotes:“I routinely tell students the Bible never uses the word ‘heaven’ to denote or describe the ultimate goal of Christian existence. It talks about the new heavens and the new earth into which we will be raised. Likewise, the Bible never uses the word ‘soul’ to denote or describe the sort of creatures that we will be in God’s ultimate new creation.” - N.T. Wright“Paul says in Philippians 1: ‘My desire is to depart and be with the Messiah which is far better.’ But that’s not the end of the story, because in the end, Romans 8, the Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead will give new life to our mortal bodies. And Paul emphasizes that happens through the Holy Spirit who’s been given to us. So the Holy Spirit coming to dwell with us to be fused with our human spirit, that provides the continuity, which in older theological traditions has been provided by the Platonic soul. And so part of my mission in life at the moment is to push back hard against that platonic idea.” - N.T. Wright“The Spirit, God Himself, is coming to dwell in the midst of His people. It’s not in a building, it’s in the hearts and lives of His followers.” - N.T. Wright“The whole Bible is very clear. The heavens and the earth are God’s good creation. The Heavens are the Lord’s, the earth is given to the children of men, but ultimately they’re designed to come together.” - N.T. Wright “People have often gone to fantastical schemes which they’ve invented out of little bits and pieces from Daniel, Zechariah, or the book of Revelation, and then you get all the wild and wacky speculations about the so-called end times.” - N.T. Wright“For many people, the end times is what the whole story is all about. But really, that is a radical misunderstanding of the New Testament. And I speak as a ‘simple’ Bible Christian—I’d rather have the Bible than any human traditions.” - N.T. WrightLinks, Products, and Resources Mentioned In This Episode:Surprised By Hope by N.T. Wright The Resurrection of the Son of God by N.T. Wright God’s Homecoming by N.T. Wright Miracles by C.S. LewisThe Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism by Daniel G. Hummel*Watch this interview on the YouTube channel! *All episode music is by Melanie Penn. Guest’s Links:Admirato’s websiteN.T. Wright’s Facebook N.T. Wright’s InstagramConnect with Melanie:The Rising (Album)WebsiteFacebookInstagramYouTubeSpotify*The Rising Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media.
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  • The Resurrection and the Reality of Grief: Nancy Guthrie

    The Resurrection and the Reality of Grief: Nancy Guthrie
    Mar 5 2026
    In this deeply moving episode of The Rising, Melanie sits down with Bible teacher and author Nancy Guthrie for an honest conversation about grief, resurrection, and hope that doesn’t hurry pain along. Nancy shares the story of losing two children, and how walking through profound sorrow reshaped her faith, her compassion, and her understanding of what it means to truly believe in the resurrection. Together, they explore how hope can feel distant in the midst of loss, and how to love grieving people without trying to fix them. Thought-Provoking Quotes:“When you love someone and you know that they’re going to die… whether or not the resurrection is really true, do I have any real reason to anticipate that I will be reunited with this person that I love so much?” - Nancy Guthrie“My most succinct advice in terms of what to say or not say [to someone who is grieving] is; does it esteem their loss or diminish it? Does it say, ‘This hurts and I don’t want to make light of it.’ That would be to esteem their loss. Or does it diminish it, like, ‘It’s not really that bad?’” - Nancy Guthrie“Your healing begins when you become joined to Jesus by faith so that His resurrection life flows into your life.” - Melanie Penn“For those of us who have lost someone to death, it can feel like the end, or for those who are maybe facing death—because the only experience we’ve ever had is living in these bodies, in this world with what we can see and touch and feel. This is why we need faith. Faith is believing in what we can’t see.” - Nancy Guthrie Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned In This Episode:Holding On to Hope by Nancy GuthrieSaved by Nancy GuthrieThe Message by Eugene PetersonTim Keller’s sermon on resurrection hope*Watch this interview on the YouTube channel! *All episode music is by Melanie Penn. Guest’s Links:Nancy Guthrie’s Website Nancy Guthrie Facebook Nancy Guthrie InstagramNancy Guthrie XConnect with Melanie:The Rising (Album)WebsiteFacebookInstagramYouTubeSpotify*The Rising Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media.
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  • Living Out Resurrection Theology: Dr. Heather Thompson Day

    Living Out Resurrection Theology: Dr. Heather Thompson Day
    Feb 26 2026
    Does believing in life after death actually change how you live right now? Dr. Heather Thompson Day, author of What If I’m Wrong?, joins us for a deeply personal conversation about what it means to truly live out faith, especially when life doesn’t go as planned. Heather shares the emotional story of watching her father, a dedicated minister, struggle with Alzheimer’s and financial hardship—a difficult scenario that forced her to question her own ideas of success, failure, and spiritual reward. We dive into the concept of the “Upside-Down Kingdom,” challenging the worldly pursuit of applause and accolades. Heather offers powerful insights on overcoming disappointment, listening for intuition, and why giving away the last thing you have might be the key to receiving everything you need.

    Thought-Provoking Quotes:
    “It started a process of about three more years of stepping back and kind of reanalyzing this thing called the Upside-Down Kingdom, where often I truly believe what the earth praises, heaven is not impressed by, and what heaven praises the earth ignores. What does it look like? What if that thing that we think is dead, right, is actually a seed that's been planted from generation to generation? How does that change the way you view your life or your passion?” - Heather Thompson Day

    “We all want resurrection, none of us want death. And yet death is required for resurrection. And so how does this look in our actual lives as we dream, right, or try to provide for ourselves or go into ministry or sing or do whatever the passion is? Are we willing to suffer for and through that thing in order to be faithful?” - Heather Thompson Day

    “If you go through the texts of the women at the Resurrection, over and over, they felt, they saw, they touched. Those words are intentional because they are, it's showing you they were, the first witness. They had, and they would, just spend the rest of their time telling people what they had seen and heard.” - Heather Thompson Day

    “When I’m talking about God to somebody, I don’t tell them what I believe. I tell them what I have seen, what I’ve heard, and what I’ve experienced. I tell them what we call in the church world testimonies, right? And I would say I don’t want to spend my forties talking about my testimonies from my thirties. I want to keep having experiences with God.” - Heather Thompson Day

    *Watch this interview on the YouTube channel!
    *All episode music is by Melanie Penn.

    Guest’s Links:
    Heather Thompson Day’s website
    Heather Thompson Day’s Facebook
    Heather Thompson Day’s Instagram
    Heather Thompson Day’s YouTube

    Connect with Melanie:
    The Rising (Album)
    Website
    Facebook
    Instagram
    YouTube
    Spotify

    *The Rising Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media.
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    23 m
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