Justin vibe-coded an app 5 minutes before recording this episode. Justin and the Transistor team just got back from Banff for their annual company retreat. How do these retreats actually work? What are they good for? Brian has some pretty good signups for Builder Methods Pro memberships! (How can he keep that momentum going?) He's also juggling Agent OS customer support.

Timestamps:

• (00:00) - Intro
• (00:21) - Justin's been vibe coding again
• (02:11) - Transistor's company retreat
• (14:48) - The benefits of hiring a photographer for team retreats
• (21:56) - Laying out the vision for Transistor
• (25:23) - An easy way to tell how often you're shipping new features
• (34:45) - Builder Methods workshop update
• (41:31) - Selling annual subscriptions
• (46:40) - The mixture of feelings around launching
• (48:52) - The struggle of dealing with inbound messages
• (54:47) - Figuring out how to help teams as well as individuals
• (57:54) - What do Justin and Jon want next?
• (01:16:08) - Should we think about our competitors?
• (01:31:44) - Vibe coding vs AI assistant in the code

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Links mentioned in this episode

• Justin's vibe-code app: Segments – Podcast recording timer
• Justin's app demo video
• Town of Canmore
• Chris Enns: podcast editor
• Build Your SaaS | An update from Justin and Jon
• What's Next? with Brian Casel
• Claude Code | Claude
• Fast and reliable end-to-end testing for modern web apps | Playwright

We're joined by Ian Landsman, from the Mostly Technical podcast, joins us to chat about Outro.fm and Helpspot. We talk digital fatigue, the challenges of maintaining an online presence, the importance of building a community around shared interests, finding the right audience, and balancing personal goals with business objectives. As Brian⁩ prepares to launch Builder Methods Pro, we debate the value of community feedback and the potential for unforeseen opportunities in creating content online. Ian talks with us about the development of Outro.fm as an all-in-one solution for podcasters, the importance of building a membership community, the production side of podcasting tools, and the challenges faced in the podcasting market. Also: the difference between one-time sale products (courses) and SaaS.

Timestamps:

• (00:06) - The pre-show is the show
• (00:23) - Quitting Twitter
• (06:19) - Redesigning his website with AI
• (07:53) - Deciding on what a channel is for
• (13:59) - Chasing views and likes
• (20:58) - What are we up to this week
• (29:36) - Why subscription and community vs team training and consulting
• (50:32) - What should the premium content be for day one?
• (57:08) - What is Outro.fm?
• (01:15:04) - Who are Outro.fm's competition?
• (01:21:47) - Selling sponsorships for podcasts as a product
• (01:25:43) - The bet on how much revenue you'll get from your work
• (01:43:59) - Step 1: Become famous

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Links mentioned in this episode

• Ian Landsman
• A Smart Bear
• Builder Methods | Training for AI-first software developers
• Outro.fm
• Mostly Technical Member Site | Outro
• The Podcast Website Builder | Podpage
• Luma · Delightful Events Start Here
• The Changelog podcast
• Syntax - Web Development Podcast
• Help desk software for effortless email support

Brian is wondering: how do you manage a popular open source project? Justin went to Toronto and introduced his son to Adam Wathan, Wes Bos, Steve Schoger, and Caleb Porzio. Why does the same amount of effort produce wildly different results? And... is everyone getting tired of all this copycat content that's optimized for algorithms?

Timestamps:

• (00:20) - Preview of what we're going to talk about
• (02:11) - Builder Methods Pro and AgentOS
• (03:58) - The importance of human content in an age of algorithmic feeds
• (25:55) - Connecting with people in real life
• (33:52) - Zeroing in on Builder Methods revenue
• (48:25) - Managing an open source project in public
• (59:22) - The importance of enthusiasm in projects
• (01:12:21) - Effort and outcome

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Links mentioned in this episode

• Sam Sulek YouTube Channel
• Builder Methods Workshop
• Justin’s Toronto Hangout
• Marketing is a Transfer of Enthusiasm
• Agent OS GitHub Project
• Open Source Contribution Guidelines (Litestream)
• 37signals Book Royalties Revenue
• Effort vs Outcome Blog Post
• 1,000 True Fans
• Omarchy 2.0
• Wes Bos
• Downie - YouTube Video Downloader for macOS