In this episode, I sat down with Mason King and Nick Crawford—two of my fellow elders at The Village—to talk about plurality. Not because it’s trendy, but because it’s biblical, and because it has been a safeguard in my ministry. Early on, I had all the power, all the control—and I knew it. It was efficient, it was fast, and it was dangerous. So we talk about why one-man leadership is a bad idea, what true elder plurality actually looks like, and how it’s protected us, humbled us, and served the body over the years. If you’re planting a church, rethinking leadership, or just wondering how to build something that lasts—this one’s for you.

In This Episode

• [03:00] The Biblical Case for Plurality
• [06:00] Why We Avoid Plurality
• [12:00] What Plurality Has Given Us
• [16:00] Shield-to-Shield Leadership
• [21:00] How We Choose Elders
• [30:00] When Plurality Prevents Church Hurt
• [38:00] Signs of Fake Plurality
• [43:00] First Steps Toward Plurality
• [49:00] Final Encouragements to Young Leaders

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Man, today’s episode is rich. I’m sitting down with Dr. Michelle Bowman—an educator, leader, and sister in Christ who has walked through the fire and come out on the other side with her joy still. Her story? It’s not the cleaned-up version. It’s real. Ten years of struggle, a marriage that ended in heartbreak, and a journey back into the family of faith, not with shame but with strength.

What you’ll hear in Michelle is the kind of resilience that only comes from walking with Jesus through deep pain. From idolizing marriage to embracing her calling as a spiritual mother, she’s living proof that you can lose everything the world calls secure and still gain something far better—belonging, joy, and purpose in Christ.

If you've ever felt like your story disqualifies you, let this be a holy disruption. There’s healing here, and it starts by stepping into the light. Keep your eyes up.

In This Episode

• [02:00] - Walking Through Divorce & Letting Go of Identity
• [04:30] - Coming Home to TVC: A Story of Community & Welcome
• [08:00] - Serving in Singleness: From Family Legacy to Faithful Presence
• [10:45] - Can You Love Jesus and Not the Church?
• [14:30] - The Cost and Freedom of Being a Single Woman in the Church
• [17:45] - Seeing God's Goodness in Unexpected Seasons
• [21:30] - Spiritual Motherhood & Nurturing the Body of Christ
• [25:45] - Lifelong Encouragers: Family, Faithful Friends & SSR Sisters
• [28:15] - A Heart for Missions: Finding Purpose on the Field
• [30:00] - Rhythms That Keep Her Anchored: Serving, Studying, and Scripture
• [33:00] - To the One Feeling Shame: What Michelle Wants You to Hear
• [40:00] - A Final Word on Grace, Courage, and Coming Home Again

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Communio is not another program. It’s a non-profit organization that comes alongside churches, training and equipping them to evangelize through the renewal of healthy relationships, marriages, and the family. Family structure is key for passing on faith to children, yet 72 percent of churches lack significant relationship ministry. That’s where Communio comes in. Communio has worked with hundreds of churches across the country. These churches have seen divorce rates drop – attendance rise – weekly generosity increase – and marriage and family bonds restored.

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In this episode of The Overcomers, I sit down with Danny Spencer, a long-time member of The Village Church, as he shares his powerful story of healing and hope. Raised in a home marked by addiction and loss, Danny carried deep wounds into adulthood—even as he built a successful banking career. Behind the scenes, alcohol was quietly undoing everything.

At his lowest point, Danny found his way into a 12-step meeting and soon after, into the community at Highland Village First Baptist Church. It was there that God began a radical work of redemption. Through the support of people like Ida Stump and a faithful home group, Danny’s life began to change—his sobriety took hold, and his faith deepened.

In this conversation, we explore the healing power of Gospel community, the beauty of restored relationships, and the truth that no one is ever too far gone. If you or someone you love is struggling, Danny’s story will point you to hope, healing, and the One who breaks every chain.

TOPICS DISCUSSED

• From Rock Bottom to Redemption
• God’s Faithfulness in the Mess
• Breaking Chains in Community
• Healing That Only Jesus Brings

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Communio

Communio is not another program. It’s a non-profit organization that comes alongside churches, training and equipping them to evangelize through the renewal of healthy relationships, marriages, and the family. Family structure is key for passing on faith to children, yet 72 percent of churches lack significant relationship ministry. That’s where Communio comes in. Communio has worked with hundreds of churches across the country. These churches have seen divorce rates drop – attendance rise – weekly generosity increase – and marriage and family bonds restored.

Visit: communio.org/overcomers to learn more about the Communio impact and how Communio can come alongside your church.

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Leadership under pressure is no joke. Pastors Leonce Crump and Joby Martin open up about the weight of responsibility—when betrayal, exhaustion, and doubt threaten to take you out. Leonce shares about seasons of heartbreak that nearly broke him, and Joby talks about burnout, even in a thriving ministry. This isn’t just about pushing through—it’s about leaning into Jesus when you’re running on empty.

What keeps you in the fight? Joby almost walked away from ministry, ready to sell caskets instead—until his wife nudged him to give it one more shot. Matt shares about hitting a wall, realizing he was leading from fumes instead of fresh conviction. And Leonce? He found renewal not just in faith, but in reconnecting with the outdoors and rediscovering the things that replenish his soul.

How do you stay grounded in public life? These guys talk about balancing leadership with raising kids, protecting their families from unfair expectations, and keeping their faith real. If you’re feeling worn out or wondering how to keep going, this conversation is for you.

TOPICS DISCUSSED

• Pastoral Leaders Discuss Resilience and Overcoming
• Leaders Embrace Growth and Restoration
• Navigating Public Life and Family Pressure
• Balancing Ministry and Family Life
• Ministry Shift

GUEST RESOURCES

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The Victory app, with powerful accountability features built in and the optional blocking technology, makes it an unparalleled tool in the fight to live a porn-free life

Anyone can get started on their path to recovery for free by visiting: Covenanteyes.com/overcomers for 30 days free.

Communio

Communio is not another program. It’s a non-profit organization that comes alongside churches, training and equipping them to evangelize through the renewal of healthy relationships, marriages, and the family. Family structure is key for passing on faith to children, yet 72 percent of churches lack significant relationship ministry. That’s where Communio comes in. Communio has worked with hundreds of churches across the country. These churches have seen divorce rates drop – attendance rise – weekly generosity increase – and marriage and family bonds restored.

Visit: communio.org/overcomers to learn more about the Communio impact and how Communio can come alongside your church.

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Family life is messy—loud, exhausting, and often overwhelming. But the everyday moments—car rides, meals, bedtime—can be sacred opportunities to point our kids to Jesus.

This week on the Overcomers Podcast, I sit down with Adam Griffin, author and host of the Family Discipleship Podcast, to talk about leading our families in grace, not perfection. Adam shares his struggles with impatience and how embracing our weaknesses can deepen our parenting.

We unpack simple but powerful practices—like the driveway prayer to reset before stepping inside, the sacredness of family meals, and the importance of consistency in shaping faith. And in a world where screens are discipling our kids faster than we are, Adam offers wisdom on keeping them engaged, guarding their hearts, and staying united as parents.

You don’t have to be a perfect parent—just present, humble, and faithful.

TOPICS DISCUSSED

• Parenting Challenges and Cultivating Humility
• Serving and Loving Imperfectly
• Home Formation Through Routines and Milestones
• Fostering Family Connection Through Communication
• Navigating Different Parenting Philosophies
• Navigating Technological Challenges in Parenting
• Parenting with Community

GUEST RESOURCES

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Family Discipleship Book

Adam's Forthcoming Book

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Communio is not another program. It’s a non-profit organization that comes alongside churches, training and equipping them to evangelize through the renewal of healthy relationships, marriages, and the family. Family structure is key for passing on faith to children, yet 72 percent of churches lack significant relationship ministry. That’s where Communio comes in. Communio has worked with hundreds of churches across the country. These churches have seen divorce rates drop – attendance rise – weekly generosity increase – and marriage and family bonds restored.

Visit communio.org/overcomers to learn more about the Communio impact and how Communio can come alongside your church.

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Thanks for tuning in to another episode of The Overcomers. In this episode, I’m joined by Kim Zember, whose journey with Jesus shows the messy, beautiful reality of sanctification. Growing up in a Christian home in Southern California, Kim had some transformative encounters with Jesus, but her path hasn’t always been straightforward.

We dive into the challenges Kim faced growing up—especially her early view of God as this authoritative figure, which led to a legalistic way of thinking. There’s a lot to unpack when it comes to understanding who we are in Christ, and for Kim, the journey wasn’t a straight line. We talk about the moments that shook her understanding of herself, her faith, and her sexuality—especially navigating feelings and desires she had that seemed counter to who she believed she truly was.

This episode is a reminder that God’s love and grace are bigger than our struggles, and no matter where we are, we can always turn toward Him. Join us for an honest, powerful conversation about faith, identity, and transformation.

TOPICS DISCUSSED

• Navigating Gender Identity and Relationships
• The Struggle With Self-Identity and Faith
• Encountering God's Healing and Love
• Embracing Imperfection and God’s Grace Through Relational Faith
• Finding Grace and Growth

GUEST RESOURCES

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What if the key to true success is embracing your vulnerabilities? In today’s episode of the Overcomers Podcast, the tables turn—Lauren Chandler interviews me about a season of deep transformation. We’ll unpack my journey from external success in ministry to confronting the internal struggles I couldn’t ignore anymore. I was emotionally stuck, overwhelmed, and hiding behind humor and problem-solving. That’s when I decided to get help and began working with a counselor who challenged my approach to life.

The road wasn’t easy. Jack, the counselor, pushed me to face uncomfortable truths, confront my defense mechanisms, and dive deep into the emotional wounds I’d been avoiding. This wasn’t about fixing problems—it was about learning to engage in real relationships, especially with my family. That shift from trying to fix everything to truly connecting has changed the way I minister and live.

This conversation is about embracing change, having the courage to grow, and facing the most guarded parts of your inner self. If you’ve been feeling stuck, or know there’s more growth ahead, I hope you find strength and Christian courage from this conversation.

TOPICS DISCUSSED

• 2015 And The Realization I Needed Help
• Discovering Deep Hurt and Healing
• The Turning Point in Re-Discovering My Identity
• How Solitude Has Helped Me With Soul Integration

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