US President Donald Trump’s tough talk about China and tariffs can be traced back in large part to economist Peter Navarro. A well-known China hawk, he has written books arguing Beijing poses a threat to the US economy and its national security.

Navarro is a loyalist who has served as a key trade adviser in both Trump administrations. In between, he spent four months behind bars for refusing to comply with a Congressional subpoena tied to the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol.

It is Navarro who stands behind Trump’s sweeping tariffs against China and other nations, levies that have in some cases raised prices for US companies and consumers.

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, recorded in Bloomberg's Washington studio, Navarro discusses the US relationship with China and an upcoming Supreme Court ruling on the administration’s use of emergency powers to levy tariffs. They also look ahead to this year’s midterm elections and back at the controversial Vanity Fair profile of Trump Chief of Staff Susie Wiles.

00:00 - Introduction from Mishal Husain
02:16 - Navarro’s bond with President Trump
05:04 - Navarro’s journey from Democrat to MAGA Republican
08:01 - Time in Federal prison
09:36 - US-China relationship
12:21 - Navarro’s advice for Europe
13:22 - Trump diplomacy
15:35 - Allowing Nvidia to export advanced chips to China
17:49 - Delivering for working class Americans
20:08 - Rubio-Vance 2028
21:57 - Addressing affordability concerns
23:38 - Manufacturing jobs: “We can’t wave a magic wand”
26:45 - Supreme Court ruling
30:17 - Cost of tariff refunds
31:15 - “It's not a job, it's a mission”

Watch this podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0Ns_wjGlmjlPz0cded0nTYS

You can find the written version of this interview with Mishal’s notes on Bloomberg Weekend: https://www.bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview

Contact The Mishal Husain Show mishalshow@bloomberg.net

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Kara Swisher has followed the story of Silicon Valley for three decades, having started work as a tech journalist at a time when few people were interested in the beat.

But through relationships she built with the likes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and many others, she became a formidable voice, and eventually more of a commentator and critic.

Swisher now hosts the podcasts Pivot and On with Kara Swisher. Following a year in which Silicon Valley titans lined up behind Donald Trump, she tells Mishal Husain what she thinks 2026 will bring. Swisher unpacks fears of an artificial intelligence bubble, why she’s paying attention to robotics and what life after Trump may be like.

02:16 - You would be “stupid” to ignore the AI bubble
05:40 - The promise of AI
07:16 - Swisher’s first download
09:30 - “Serious wealth creates real problems”
14:20 - Steve Jobs was an “adult”
17:15 - “What Tesla did was astonishing”
20:30 - The influence of Peter Thiel
22:20 - Generational shift in tech
23:30 - “You couldn’t have started an Uber now”
26:15 - Swisher’s paying attention to robotics in 2026
29:30 - What Swisher learned from Silicon Valley
31:50 - Swisher’s move into podcasting
35:40 - Life after Trump and why she’s watching KPop Demon Hunters

Watch this podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0Ns_wjGlmjlPz0cded0nTYS

Find Mishal’s conversations with the godmother of AI Fei-Fei Li and CEO of Microsoft AI Mustafa Suleyman here:
https://link.podtrac.com/1wqpj1f8

You can find the written version of this interview with Mishal’s notes on Bloomberg Weekend: https://www.bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview

Contact The Mishal Husain Show mishalshow@bloomberg.net

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As the year draws to a close, we are bringing you one of Mishal Husain’s biggest conversations of the year, in full. In May 2025, Elon Musk joined Bloomberg's Qatar Economic Forum, in a rare media appearance.

He remains as consequential a global figure today, as he was then, even if he is no longer working with Donald Trump.

Within 10 days of this conversation, he had left DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, and soon after that he was publicly trading insults with the president.

Musk talked about Tesla, his ambitions for SpaceX and Starlink and his political spending.

Note: This episode was recorded with a remote guest in front of a live audience, and as a result, the audio quality may vary.

02:31 - Mishal Husain introduces Elon Musk
03:21 - A week in the life of Elon Musk
04:25 - The future of Tesla
9:19 - Attacks on Tesla showrooms
11:35 - The future of warfare
14:30 - “I’m in no rush to go public”
17:30 - OpenAI
20:45 - Regulating AI
24:00 - “I’m simply an advisor”
26:30 - Starlink
29:44 - “Your question’s absurd”
31:26 - DOGE
33:15 - US Agency for International Development
37:20 - Political spending

Watch this podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0Ns_wjGlmjlPz0cded0nTYS

You can find the written version of this interview with Mishal’s notes on Bloomberg Weekend: https://www.bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview

Contact The Mishal Husain Show mishalshow@bloomberg.net

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