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This episode follows Mayvin’s November alumni event “Measuring in the Messiness”. A conversation that set out to talk about evaluation and somehow ended up being… surprisingly enjoyable.

Sophie Tidman and Carolyn pick up where the event left off, exploring why evaluation so often feels heavy, awkward or quietly avoided. And what changes when you stop treating it as a final judgement and start using it as a way of noticing what’s really going on as work unfolds.

They talk about how what gets measured quietly shapes behaviour and why the most important shifts are often the hardest to name. And how developing better language and sharper patterns of noticing helps people make sense of those shifts, rather than losing them because they don’t fit existing measures.

Along the way, they draw on Sharon Varney’s work on leadership in complexity and the limits of looking only in the rear-view mirror. Erin Manning’s idea of the minor gesture, the subtle movements where change actually starts. And Nora Bateson’s notion of warm data, the relational, context-rich information that helps organisations make sense of themselves without pretending things are tidy.

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AI is moving fast. But the real challenge is not technical. It is human.

In this episode of the Mayvin Podcast, Sophie Tidman is joined by Hugo Pickford-Wardle to explore where AI is leading us, and what it asks of us as humans at work. Together they unpack why AI can feel both unsettling and deeply empowering, how it acts as a trickster technology that exposes our assumptions about value, productivity and intelligence, and why integrating AI is less about figuring out tools and more about choosing who we are becoming.

This is a reflective, practical conversation for leaders, change-makers and anyone trying to stay human while facing into the future of work.

To explore more of Hugo's work, take a look at:

📬 The Free Newsletter: AI Optimist– Your weekly dose of practical AI optimism
🎓 AI Night School: AI Courses for you to become AI Fluent

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Join us as we dive into the evolving world of organisational development (OD) in the age of AI. In this episode, our hosts - Sarah Fraser, Tim Haynes and Markus Edgar Hormeß - reflect on a recent hands-on workshop where OD practitioners experimented with teaming alongside AI.

We unpack the challenges and opportunities of integrating AI into the workplace, from building trust and navigating power dynamics to fostering intentional experimentation and learning. Discover how creating “playgrounds” for safe experimentation can break down barriers, encourage human connection, and unlock new ways of working.

Whether you’re an OD professional, a leader, or simply curious about the intersection of people and technology, this episode offers practical insights and thought-provoking reflections on the future of teaming with AI.

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