If you’ve ever felt your friendships shift as life changes—like when your kids leave the nest, your schedule empties (or overflows), or you crave connection beyond surface-level chats—this episode will speak to you deeply. For this podcast conversation, we turn the tables with Kelley Gray interviewing Heather. It is a warm, honest conversation about adult friendships: the longing for deeper bonds, the awkwardness of reaching out, and the vulnerability of naming what you need. We talk about “friendship shopping,” the courage to say “I’m lonely,” and how to create space for relationships that feel mutual, spiritual, and real. Whether you’re navigating grief, a season of transition, or simply trying to figure out who your people are now, this episode is like a heart-to-heart with a trusted friend. You’ll hear about the power of showing up—sometimes with a meal, sometimes with silence, and sometimes just with presence. We’ll unpack how crises can either rupture or deepen relationships and how honesty, intention, and grace can carry friendships through hard seasons. If you’ve ever felt shame around changing connections or wondered how to “date” new friends as an adult, this episode gives you language, permission, and hope. Tune in for encouragement, laughter, and wisdom. You’re not alone in this, and your next meaningful friendship might be one brave conversation away.

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In part 2 of It’s All About Relationships, Heather and Darren explore what makes a relationship truly sacred—not because it’s perfect or forever, but because it meets us at just the right moment in our lives. When a connection endures through changing seasons, it becomes something rare and deeply meaningful.

We ask a question that keeps guiding us back to the heart of connection: Does the person across from me feel cared for, seen, and heard? From small gestures like remembering the little things, to being present during someone’s busy grind, we unpack how real relationships grow.

Join us as we talk about what it means to create safe spaces, honor each other’s stories, and walk together even when we’re different. Relationships aren’t static—they're alive, messy, and full of potential.

If this resonates, we invite you to listen in—and maybe even reach out to someone you care about this week. Ask a deeper question. Be curious. Share this episode. It might just spark the connection you both need.

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Music & Production by Jason Squires

In this first episode of It’s All About Relationships, we explore the powerful role relationships play in our lives—from work and friendships to family and romantic partnerships. Learn how to build trust, communicate clearly, and navigate challenges with intention and grace. Whether you’re seeking more authentic connections or looking to strengthen existing bonds, this episode offers practical tools and heartfelt wisdom to help you grow in your relationships with purpose and love. If you like what you've heard in this episode, you can get Grace Space on Amazon.

Step into The Life You're Made For, I'm cheering you on!
heatherpenny.com
@heatherpennyphd
Music & Production by Jason Squires