The Johnson Amendment: A Conversation with Rev. Jen Butler and Doug Pagitt

Shane talks with Rev. Jen Butler and Pastor Doug Pagitt about the new Executive Order of Donald Trump loosening restrictions on faith-based nonprofits when it comes to political endorsements and funding. The US has prided itself on the "separation of Church and State," but this could be a historic shift in what that looks like.

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