It was a wild weekend. Donald Trump presided over a military parade on his birthday while an estimated 5 million Americans protested around the country. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the optics of both events and ask, with America’s divided politics and media silos, is protesting still effective? They also unpack a new article by Abby McCloskey in CT that argues evangelicalism’s focus on a private, personalized faith undermines learning, curiosity, and exercising the mind. Then, theologian and Holy Post Pundit, Michael Bird, is back. He offers an outsider’s perspective on Trump’s military parade, the “No Kings” protests, and why he thinks more Christians should be concerned about the suspension of habeas corpus. Also this week: More ’50s slang and an update on Ed the zebra.

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3:25 - Theme Song

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6:18 - 50’s Slang

9:44 - Ed the Zebra’s Return!

14:35 - Military Parade

23:48 - What Does Protest Do?

32:05 - The Christian Mind Out of Practice

47:30 - Teaching Essentials of the Faith

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52:24 - Interview

59:30 - Polarization of the Military

1:10:05 - Right to Protest

1:19:45 - End Credits

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A Christian Mind Out of Practice by Abby McCloskey:

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Protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration’s immigration policies have turned violent, but will the images of vandalism and attacks on police actually help the President? And Phil asks if there is any way to prevent necessary mass protests from becoming violent. One of the most respected Bible scholars of the last century has passed away. Old Testament professor Walter Bruggemann contrasted the world’s vision of scarcity with God’s kingdom of abundance, but Kaitlyn thinks his understanding of exile is over-applied today. Skye talks with his Holy Post Media colleague, Esau McCaulley, about his vocation as a priest, professor, and podcaster, and his desire to see Christianity applied to both the beauty and brokenness of the culture. Also this week—flying zebras and burning Waymos.

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7:20 - Runaway Ed the Zebra!

14:33 - LA Protests, Self-Driving Cars

20:30 - Is Violent Protest Inevitable?

30:38 - Walter Brueggemann’s Passing

34:22 - Kaitlyn’s Disagreement with Brueggemann

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45:25 - Interview

47:32 - Why Esau’s an Anglican Priest

54:30 - Why Esau’s a Podcaster

1:04:20 - How Does Esau’s Brain Work?

1:12:38 - White Evangelicals Centering

1:19:45 - End Credits

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Pet Zebra Escaped!

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In the past, debates over worship styles were often marked by generational differences; however, a new article suggests that this is changing. For Gen Z, worship preferences may be dividing along gender lines instead. For younger Christians, is CCM from Venus and liturgy from Mars? Drew Dyck joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the evidence, the implications, and the solution for the worship gender divide. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Patrick Miller about his new book with co-author Keith Simon, “Joyful Outsiders.” He says there are six different ways we can respond to the loss of Christian cultural power, but all of them should be marked with joy rather than fear or anger. Also this week—listeners react to our criticism of “asking Jesus into your heart,” and pigeons on a plane.

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5:36 - Animal News

13:07 - Jesus in Your Heart Response

25:27 - The Gen Z Worship War

36:23 - Low Church to High Church

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54:15 - Interview

55:55- What Does it Mean to Be Joyful Outsiders?

1:00:20 - Are Christians Always Outsiders?

1:14:20 - Prophets and Hope

1:20:08 - Approaching Joyful Living

1:31:00 - End Credits

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Pigeons on a Plane!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/delta-flight-erupts-chaos-pigeons-fly-main-cabin-rcna209400

Gen Z Gender Worship War:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/gen-z-worship-war-men-women-ccm-liturgy-tradition/

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Joyful Outsiders: Six Ways to Live Like Jesus in a Disorienting Culture: https://a.co/d/9ouoDCT

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