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Laughter can be a compass. Sitting with DeCastro—one of the world’s best-loved clowns—we step into Why Not Land, a clearing where play is protected, truth has room to breathe, and imagination outruns fear. From South London to Rio’s shoreline, she maps an art form often trivialised, arguing with warmth and precision that clowning is education, rebellion, and radical compassion all at once.

We journey through the founding of the Why Not Institute, born after Slava’s Snowshow and sustained by a fierce belief that clowns are truth tellers, entertainers and subversives. The pandemic cost the Institute its physical home, but not its purpose: keep the archive alive, keep the training accessible, keep the doors open to every line of clowning—circus, theatre, street, musical, spiritual, and rebel. Along the way, DeCastro dismantles the lazy insult that calls selfish power “clowning.” Real clowns risk themselves to say what others cannot, with tenderness and wit.

Her practice is anchored by “How to Be a Stupid,” a title that hides a serious proposition: the work is not technique first; it’s a state. Intensive training helps students unlearn perfectionism and step into a creative intelligence where failure is feedback and play is disciplined. We talk honour, friendship, and compassion; we talk samba beats that change your heartbeat; we talk Giulietta Masina, Wings of Desire, and painters whose generosity outlives them. There are trees with winter scarves, red motorbikes humming low through London, and bus rides where a stranger’s new phone becomes blue because a clown’s kindness tipped the scales.

What remains is a living legacy. Students write years later from rehearsal rooms and boardrooms, now “stupid in charge” of their own brave choices. DeCastro wants the Institute’s next home to be near a tube and open to all, so the archive—props, films, books—can breathe and be shared. Until then, the state of clown keeps migrating: into hearts, spirits and minds that choose curiosity over cleverness and play over posturing.

If this conversation moved you, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who needs permission to take fun seriously. And if you can help the Why Not Institute find a new home, reach out—let’s make the land of Why Not easier to find.

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What if the call that changes everything arrives decades late? Pete Townsend—actor, collector of lost causes, and lifelong Bristolian—shares a story stitched with grit, humour, and heart. From a childhood spent trying to meet a father’s unreachable ideals to a mid-rehearsal phone call revealing a twin sister he never knew, Pete’s journey explores identity, reunion, and the quiet power of being useful to others.

We wander through Bristol’s creative life: Carol singing that becomes Gilbert & Sullivan, Opera choruses that lead to the Bristol Old Vic Theatre School, and a Director’s note that becomes a life rule—“I can see you acting.” Pete talks about learning to be truthful on stage, why comedy from the Goons to Python shaped his ear, and how Radio 4 became his “university of the air.” He also opens a window into Bristol’s aerospace history with vivid memories of Concorde’s first lift and final landing—right down to a pilot’s cap trapped forever by heat and speed—and the surreal night he attended the Wicked premiere thanks to a name mix-up with the other Pete Townsend.

Beyond the anecdotes sits a deeper question: how do we measure a life? Pete doesn’t chase applause; he values usefulness, kindness, and the sense that time spent together wasn’t wasted. We talk legacy, adoption records, twin studies in Minnesota, the pull of old vehicles and even older stories, and why persistence—however modest—often wins the day. It’s reflective, funny, and deeply human.

If you’re drawn to personal storytelling, adoption reunions, Bristol theatre, Concorde lore, or the craft of acting with honesty, you’ll feel at home here. Listen, share with someone who loves a good true story, and if the idea of preserving a life story speaks to you, subscribe, leave a review, and consider gifting a Legacy Life Reflections session to someone you love.

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Settle in for a masterclass in comedy, connection, and creative perseverance as Welsh comedy legend Rob Brydon takes us on an intimate journey through his remarkable career. This isn't just another celebrity interview—it's a warm, revealing conversation that feels like eavesdropping on two old friends catching up over tea.

From his childhood in Port Talbot watching comedy greats like Ryan Davis to becoming a national treasure himself, Rob shares the pivotal moments that shaped his path. The conversation brims with delightful anecdotes: crying with laughter at pantomimes as a child, nervously meeting Steve Coogan for the first time, and the sliding doors moment when he bumped into Hugo Blick at the BBC, leading to the creation of "Marion and Geoff"—the show that changed everything.

What makes this episode truly special is Rob's disarming honesty about the struggles before success. While contemporaries like the League of Gentlemen were rising to fame, he was working on shopping channels, sending out VHS tapes that returned with the "crash of failure." His story reminds us that even the most accomplished performers face rejection and doubt. When he shares how Barry Humphries once told him, "You didn't just entertain that audience, you befriended them," we understand exactly what makes Rob so beloved by audiences worldwide.

The conversation takes unexpected turns, from Rob's growing appreciation for nature as he ages to his thoughts on legacy. When asked how he'd like to be remembered, his immediate answer—"as just a good dad"—reveals the man behind the performer. With his upcoming Scandinavian edition of "The Trip" with Steve Coogan on the horizon, this conversation captures Rob at a reflective moment in his celebrated career.

Whether you're a long-time fan or discovering Rob Brydon for the first time, this episode offers wisdom, warmth, and genuine laughter. Join us in the clearing for this thoughtful exploration of creativity, comedy, and the connections that make a life in entertainment meaningful.

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