Conor Ryder is the Head of Research at Ethena Labs and Rob Montgomery is the Founder of InfiniFi Labs.

In this episode, we catch up on the latest news surrounding Ethena’s explosive growth scaling USDe and sUSDe, including how teams like InfiniFi are scaling yield strategies powered by underlying USDe/sUSDe. Plus, new details on Ethena’s upcoming L2 Converge and their recently announced ENA treasury vehicle, StablecoinX.

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Timestamps

0:00 - Intro
1:29 - The state of Ethena
4:29 - Sponsor break
6:42 - Importance of funding rates fueling Ethena’s growth
8:42 - What is InfiniFi?
11:00 - What happens when Ethena PTs, backing siUSD, mature?
13:46 - How does InfiniFi offer a better yield for sUSDe holders?
20:30 - What is Ethena’s Converge L2?
25:09 - Ethena’s grand vision is coming together
27:34 - Securitize partnership with Converge
28:17 - Sponsor break
30:34 - StablecoinX, an ENA treasury company
36:37 - Closing

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🔗 Guest Links 🔗

► Ethena website: https://ethena.fi/
► InfiniFi website: https://infinifi.xyz/
► Ethena on X: https://x.com/ethena_labs
► InfiniFi on X: https://x.com/infiniFi_
► Conor Ryder on X: https://x.com/ConorRyder
► Rob on X: https://x.com/RobAnon94

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All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad and Nomatic are investors in Ethena and InfiniFi. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Kyle Reidhead is the Founder of Impact3 and Co-Owner of The Milk Road.

In this episode, we provide a comprehensive guide on ETH treasury companies, publicly traded firms focused on acquiring and staking ETH for their balance sheets, while tapping into DeFi to earn yield. We explore how these firms raise capital to buy more ETH, how staking/DeFi differentiates them from BTC treasury companies, why metrics like mNAV, share count, and ETH purchase-to-issuance ratio matter, and how this new Wall Street phenomenon is driving an outsized bid to buy a shrinking supply of ETH.

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⚡ SPARK | THE ONCHAIN CAPITAL ALLOCATOR

🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE

🐡 PUFFER UNIFI | A BASED ROLLUP TO ETHEREUM WITH NATIVE YIELDS

📈 RUMPEL | TURN POINTS INTO PROFITS

⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED

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Timestamps

0:00 - Intro
6:49 - Kyle, Impact3, and The Milk Road
12:00 - Why Kyle’s team is so long ETH
18:17 - Is it a DAT or ETH treasury company?
19:23 - What is mNAV and how the premium trades
23:54 - How publicly traded companies pivot to ETH DATs
29:11 - Importance of share count
31:26 - Sponsor break
32:36 - How ETH DATs raise money to buy more ETH
39:02 - Staking and DeFi yield for public markets
43:50 - Picking winners among ETH DATs
49:20 - The shift with ETH price leading sentiment
56:21 - ETH purchase / issuance ratio
59:29 - Sponsor break
1:01:05 - Key takeaways from recent talks with Joe Lubin
1:05:17 - BTCS is a standout as an operator
1:11:28 - Ethereum DeFi 2.0 comes next
1:17:20 - Risks
1:27:06 - Recent OTC ETH buy from EF
1:29:52 - When will the market top out?
1:31:03 - Closing

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🔗 Guest Links 🔗

► Strategic ETH Reserve website: https://strategicethreserve.xyz/
► Crypto Treasuries website: https://cryptotreasuries.com/
► Milk Road website: https://milkroad.com/
► Milk Road on X: https://x.com/MilkRoadDaily
► Impact3 website: https://impact3.co/
► Impact3 on X: https://x.com/Impact3Growth
► Kyle on X: https://x.com/kyleReidhead

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All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. Kyle, DeFi Dad, and Nomatic all hold ETH and SBET. Kyle also holds BTCS. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Kony is the Founder and CEO at GAIB.

In this episode, we discover how GAIB is transforming access to AI infrastructure by turning GPU compute into tokenized, yield-generating assets on Ethereum, blending DeFi innovation with real-world demand for neocloud financing.

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► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz
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⚡ SPARK | THE ONCHAIN CAPITAL ALLOCATOR

🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE

🐡 PUFFER UNIFI | A BASED ROLLUP TO ETHEREUM WITH NATIVE YIELDS

📈 RUMPEL | TURN POINTS INTO PROFITS

⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED

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Timestamps

0:00 - Intro
8:04 - Demand to finance AI compute and neocloud providers
13:46 - How TradFi works with neoclouds providers
16:37 - Operators are excited to work with GAIB
19:17 - How tokenizing GPUs works
23:58 - Sponsor break
25:08 - Why compute is a valuable RWA
27:51 - What is the synthetic dollar AID?
29:42 - How does GAIB source and originate deals?
34:18 - What happens if GAIB borrowers default?
38:13 - Sponsor break
39:49 - A two-token design, plus estimated yield for sAID
42:27 - How do AID holders and GAIB make money?
46:38 - What’s next?
50:57 - Spice Points Program
53:09 - Closing

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🔗 Guest Links 🔗

► GAIB website: https://gaib.ai/
► GAIB on X: https://x.com/gaib_ai
► Kony on X: https://x.com/konyk001

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All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad and Nomatic invested in GAIB's seed round. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.