On April 2, 2025, President Trump announced sweeping "reciprocal" tariffs on Liberation Day, promising an investment boom, massive revenue, debt reduction, and lower prices. One year later, Kyle Hulehan and Erica York dig into the data to see how those promises held up.

0:00 - Liberation Day speech recap
2:00 - Were the tariffs actually "reciprocal"?
5:30 - The real math behind the tariff formula
10:00 - Market reactions and policy chaos
14:00 - The promised investment boom that never arrived
17:30 - Tariff revenue vs. projections and the national debt
22:00 - Who actually paid the tariffs?
25:30 - Business uncertainty and real-world impacts
29:30 - Could any version of these tariffs have worked?
36:00 - The five broken promises of Liberation Day
37:00 - What comes next after the Supreme Court ruling

Resources:
Tax Foundation Tariff Tracker: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-trade-war/
Tax Foundation Trade & Tariff Research: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/topics/trade/
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AI is everywhere, and now it's in the tax policy debate. In this episode of The Deduction, hosts Kyle Hulehan and Erica York sit down with Alex Muresianu, Senior Policy Analyst at the Tax Foundation. Together they examine what current labor market data actually shows, why proposals from Senators Sanders and Kelly risk backfiring, and what smarter reforms like worker retraining deductions and consumption-based taxation would strengthen the tax code no matter how the AI story unfolds.

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Kyle Hulehan — Host, Senior Marketing Associate and Creative Producer Tax Foundation: taxfoundation.org/about-us/staff/kyle-hulehan

Erica York — Co-Host, Vice President of Federal Tax Policy Tax Foundation: taxfoundation.org/about-us/staff/erica-york Twitter/X: @ericadyork LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/erica-york-a68ab474 Substack: ericadyork.substack.com

Alex Muresianu — Senior Policy Analyst, Federal Tax Policy Tax Foundation: taxfoundation.org/about-us/staff/alex-muresianu Twitter/X: @ahardtospell LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/alex-muresianu-2b1802181

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• "When Taxing AI, Don't Reinvent the Wheel" — Alex Muresianu, Tax Foundation
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Last Friday, the Supreme Court struck down President Trump’s IEEPA tariffs in a landmark 6-3 decision. In this episode of The Deduction, hosts Kyle Hulehan and Erica York break down what the ruling actually means, from how collections could be refunded to how the administration is already scrambling to put new tariffs in place. Erica walks through why businesses may face even more uncertainty in the near term as a messy patchwork of replacement tariffs takes shape.

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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 – Weekend tariff chaos and IEEPA "pdu"
2:00 – What the Supreme Court decided on IEEPA tariffs
4:36 – Which tariffs were struck down (Liberation Day, fentanyl, and more)
5:42 – Will importers get refunds on $160 billion in unlawful collections?
7:54 – Does the ruling improve the economic outlook?
9:00 – What tariff authority does the president still have?
9:42 – Updated Tax Foundation tariff model numbers
12:00 – Section 122 explained: 150-day tariffs and legal questions
14:00 – Section 232, Section 301, and the coming patchwork of tariffs
15:42 – The compliance and administrative waste of tariff policy
17:00 – Can Congress step in and reclaim tariff authority?

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RESOURCES:
Tax Foundation Tariff Tracker: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-trade-war/
Tax Foundation IEEPA Tariff Analysis: https://taxfoundation.org/tags/ieepa/

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