We sit down with Androo and Andy from HypurrFi who are building at the intersection of on-chain credit and real-world usability.While most DeFi protocols treat borrowing as a one-time action, HypurrFi is making debt dynamic. Think refinancing, real-time spending, and routing capital across markets—without closing your position.

We cover:

— Why HypurrFi is focused on active debt management

— How they're using USDXL (a synthetic dollar) as a programmable debt rail

— Why their on-chain card integration changes how crypto holders can spend

— How they’re thinking about traders, tax-advantaged holders, and capital efficiency

— Why building on Hyperliquid gives them a unique edge, and what the challenges are

— What “debt servicing” really means (and how it differs from basic lending)

Timestamps —

00:00: Introduction

01:30 Backgrounds

02:00: The Hyperliquid Ecosystem

10:20: "Everyone Is Coming" Thesis

20:00: HyperFi's Core Products & Vision

32:00: The Card & The Philosophy of Debt

46:00: Debt Servicing

58:00: Competition

👥 Guest:

Androo Lloyd – Co-Founder at HypurrFi

Twitter: https://x.com/androolloyd

Andy – Head of Growth at HypurrFi

Twitter: https://x.com/andyhyfi

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Kinetiq co-founder and Hyperliquid contributor Omnia joins to unpack how Hyperliquid evolved from a DEX into a liquidity layer, what HIPs unlock, and why apps like Phantom and Kinetiq are treating it as default.

Chapters —

00:00 Podcast Opening & Disclaimer

00:19 Kinetic's Launch & Market Context

03:20 Hyperliquid's Core Thesis

11:33 Hyperliquid Technical Architecture

20:30 Understanding Hyperliquid Improvement Proposals (HIPs)

36:10 Kinetiq's Staking Solutions & Platform Decentralisation

46:06 Custody and Compliant Staking on Hyperliquid

01:01:24 Builder Codes and On-Chain Asset Growth

👥 Guest: Omnia – Co-founder at Kinetiq Twitter: https://x.com/0xOmnia

🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast Twitter: https://x.com/desh_saurabh

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While everyone's been copying MicroStrategy's Bitcoin strategy, Sol Strategies took a different approach. CEO Leah Wald and CTO Max Kaplan join me to discuss why they're building actual infrastructure around Solana instead of just holding tokens. Sol Strategies is a publicly listed company (CSE: HODL) - formerly Cypherpunk Holdings - that transformed from one of the first Bitcoin treasury vehicles in North America into a comprehensive Solana infrastructure company.

Sol Strategies now manages more than $500 million worth of SOL through its validators.

🎯 Inside the Episode:

• Why Sol Strategies chose Solana over Bitcoin & Ethereum

• How they generate yield through staking & validators

• Why native yield changes everything for crypto treasury companies

• Why premium to NAV won't last forever (and what comes next)

• The future of tokenised stocks and Solana DeFi

• Why institutional investors are finally paying attention

• Breakdown of Solana's performance vs. Hyperliquid

• What will change with new Solana validator clients like Firedancer & Alpenglow

Timestamps —

0:00 Introduction & The Vision for Solana Investment

5:40 Sol Strategies’ Journey and Investment Thesis

11:58 Market Dynamics and Fundraising

19:16 Why Sol Strategies is Bullish on Solana

27:10 Hyperliquid vs Solana

30:33 How is Solana going to get better?

34:39 The Future of On-Chain Assets & Revenue Diversification

👥 Guest:

Leah Wald – CEO at SOL Strategies Twitter: https://x.com/leahwald

Max Kaplan – CTO at SOL Strategies Twitter: https://x.com/maxekaplan

🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast

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Most discussions about crypto UX revolve around decentralisation and ease of use. Mats Olson, co-founder and CTO of Dune, dives deeper into the overlooked importance of real-time data infrastructure. Mats explains why blockchains, built as write-optimised databases, make data retrieval challenging and how Dune is solving this critical problem.

We explore:

• Why Dune’s community-driven approach to analytics succeeded without incentives

• The pragmatic trade-offs between decentralisation and usability

• How their latest product, SIM, provides real-time cross-chain data

• What separates crypto teams that thrive from those that struggle with data strategyChapters —

00:00 Introduction to Dune and Its Evolution

02:56 User-Generated Content and Community Engagement

05:59 Expanding Beyond Analytics

08:58 The Role of Data in Crypto (Retail vs. Institutional Usage)

11:58 Challenges of On-Chain Data and Infrastructure

15:03 Acquisitions and Future Directions for Dune

17:47 The Future of AI in Data Analytics

21:12 Decentralisation vs. Pragmatism in Crypto Applications

👥 Guest: Mats Olsen – Co-founder & CTO at Dune

Twitter: https://x.com/mewwts

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Forecasting and prediction tools are missing links in DeFi and Mode Network is trying to fill that gap.

In this episode, James Ross (co-founder of Mode and Synthdata) talks about building smarter forecasting systems for DeFi. We dig into how Mode is using BitTensor’s decentralised AI network to power real-time risk analysis, how agents could drive most on-chain activity in the future, and why better decision-making tools are critical for DeFi’s next evolution.

We also cover:

• Why forecasting short-term volatility matters

• How Synthdata's subnet incentivises accurate predictions

• The behavioural challenge of trusting agents with capital

• What still needs to be proven before these systems can scale👥 Guest: James Ross – Founder, Mode Network and SynthTower

Twitter: https://x.com/jrosstreacher

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Stablecoins are crypto’s biggest product-market fit—$230B and growing. But the pipes that move them? Broken.

In this episode, Saurabh speaks with Jay Kurahashi-Sofue (CMO) and Ryne Sachs (CEO) of Eco, who are building something surprisingly rare in crypto: infrastructure that actually works. Not another stablecoin—but a liquidity layer that coordinates capital intelligently across chains.

We dive into:

• Fragmented across venues and pools

• How Eco’s “crowd liquidity” model lets users earn yield without impermanent loss

• Eco's GTM and incentive mechanisms

🎙️ Guests:

Ryne Saxe – CEO, Eco Inc.

Twitter: https://x.com/rynesaxe

Jay Kurahashi-Sofue – CMO, Eco Inc.

Twitter: https://x.com/jayks

🎧 Host:

Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast

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From regulatory battles that forced him out of DeFi, to the conviction that drew him back, Andre opens up about the unseen cost of innovation in a space that now rewards safety over experimentation.

This isn’t a retrospective of Yearn or a breakdown of his past projects. It’s a look at why composability collapsed, how decentralisation became a UX burden, and why most builders today are creating walled gardens instead of primitives.

We explore:

• The psychological and legal toll of building in public

• Why upgradability killed trust and composability in DeFi

• Ethereum’s missed opportunity: 2% utilisation and a path to 8x throughput

• The paradox of building secure, decentralised systems for users who don’t want to deal with either

• Why Andre thinks you shouldn’t build in crypto and what to do if you still want to

This episode isn’t about nostalgia. It’s about reckoning with the systems we’ve created, and the incentives we’ve chosen.

If you’ve ever asked yourself whether it’s still worth building in this space, this is the episode to watch.Timestamps — 00:00 Introduction

01:34 Navigating Regulatory Challenges in Crypto

03:09 Legal Battles and SEC Interactions

09:23 The Shift in Market Participants and Decentralization

13:59 Innovation Stagnation in DeFi

18:00 Balancing User Experience and Decentralization

34:00 Scalability and the Limitations of Ethereum

41:17 Innovations in DeFi Primitives

44:10 Advice for Builders

👥 Guest: Andre Cronje – CTO, Sonic Labs

Twitter: https://x.com/andrecronjetech

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