We’re living through one of the biggest shifts in the internet since it began: a move from building content for people to building content for machines, on behalf of people. On this week’s episode, Jim Stengel is joined by James Cadwallader, Co-Founder and CEO of Profound, and Daniel Shin Un Kang, Head of Organic and Agentic Search at Expedia, for a thoughtful, practical conversation about AI search, answer engines, and what this shift means for the future of marketing.

James founded Profound in 2024, raising $60 million and earning recognition from Redpoint Ventures as one of the most promising private AI companies shaping applied artificial intelligence. Today, Profound works with brands like US Bank, Chime, Expedia, and DocuSign to help them navigate the transition from traditional search to a world of answer engines, agents, and AI-led experiences.

After building companies and investing in high-growth technology businesses, Daniel moved from the venture world into operating at global scale. He now leads Organic and Agentic Search at Expedia, where he’s helping redefine how one of the world’s largest travel platforms shows up in AI-powered search and discovery.

Together, James and Daniel unpack how brands actually appear inside AI systems like ChatGPT and Gemini, why traditional SEO metrics no longer tell the whole story, and how CMOs should rethink visibility, content, and measurement in an AI-driven world.

This episode offers a rare look at AI search from both sides of the table: the platform builder shaping the category and the operator putting it to work inside a performance-driven global brand. If you’re a CMO wondering what to focus on now, this conversation is a strong place to start.

—

This week's episode is brought to you by Deloitte and the IAB.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In the first month of 2026, many leaders are recommitting to being more consumer-centric and more human — inside their organizations and in the market. This episode of The CMO Podcast is designed to help you do exactly that.

Jim Stengel hosts a roundtable discussion around the book The Consumer Insights Revolution: Transforming Market Research for Competitive Advantage, which chronicles PepsiCo’s multi-year transformation of its insights and analytics function.

Joined by Steve Phillips (Zappi), Nataly Kelly (Zappi CMO), Katherine Melchior Ray (brand leader at Nike, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Hyatt, and more), and Stephan Gans (Chief Consumer Insights & Analytics Officer, PepsiCo), this conversation explores how organizations move from slow, fragmented research to connected learning systems that drive faster, smarter decisions.

---

Learn more, request a free pass, and register at iab.com/alm

Promo Code for $500 of ticket prices: ALMCMOPOD26

---

The CMO Podcast is a vYve Production.

This week's episode is brought to you by Deloitte and the IAB.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

With the NFL season in full swing and the Super Bowl just weeks away, Jim sits down with Tim Ellis, Chief Marketing Officer of the National Football League, for a timely conversation about leading one of the most powerful brands in the world.

Recorded live at the ANA Masters of Marketing in Orlando, this episode explores how the NFL continues to evolve beyond the game itself into a cultural force that brings people together. Since joining the league in 2018, Tim has helped reshape how the NFL shows up — making it more human, more inclusive, and more connected to fans across generations and communities.

Tune in for a conversation around creativity, courage, and what it takes to steward a brand that means so much to so many.

---

Learn more, request a free pass, and register at iab.com/alm

Promo Code for $500 of ticket prices: ALMCMOPOD26

---

The CMO Podcast is a vYve Production.

This week's episode is brought to you by Deloitte, TransUnion and the IAB.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.