Michael Rubin breaks down the truth about the White Party, why relationships matter more than people realize, and how he thinks about building rooms where power, business, and culture collide. He shares how Fanatics grew into a $40 billion company, why he treats networking as a real business skill, and what most people misunderstand about success.

Michael Rubin is the founder of Fanatics and one of the most connected figures in sports, business, and culture. In this conversation, he opens up about the White Party, building authentic relationships, running philanthropy like a business, and the work ethic, resilience, and mindset behind becoming a billionaire.

Chapters

00:00 - Relationships Are Everything

01:25 - The Meek Mill Story That Changed His Life

05:19 - Why He Started Reform Alliance

06:09 - Running Philanthropy Like a Business

09:04 - The Truth About the White Party

12:41 - Sophia’s White Party Fall & Meeting Jay-Z

13:53 - The Only 3 Events He Throws Each Year

15:19 - How He Learns by Talking to People

17:16 - Spotting Young Talent Before Everyone Else

17:54 - Dyslexia, Learning Disabilities & Starting Young

20:10 - What His Kids Have Taught Him

21:46 - Sleeping 4.5 Hours a Night

22:30 - Recovery & Trying to Live Longer

23:19 - Weight Loss, Ozempic & Not Taking Himself Too Seriously

26:10 - If He Lost Everything, How He’d Rebuild

28:02 - The Most Important Early Business Decisions

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About The Burnouts

The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.

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Chloe Shih breaks down all the best dating tips she wishes she knew in her 20s. Learn how to flirt, which guys to date, and how to build a relationship that lasts.

Chloe Shih is a creator, entrepreneur, and former tech operator who shares an honest look at modern ambition, relationships, and personal growth. She reflects on love, therapy, career pressure, and how the right partnership can reshape the way you think about success.

Chapters

00:00 - Intro

00:34 - What makes a relationship actually work

03:32 - The biggest lesson from couples counseling

03:55 - The “four horsemen” that predict relationship failure

06:33 - Chloe’s advice on flirting and seduction

07:22 - How she met Kevin

08:39 - The disastrous first date

11:43 - How Kevin won her over after rejection

15:37 - The Facebook prom turning point

16:43 - The 25-item partner checklist

17:22 - What was actually on Chloe’s list

18:36 - Why you should not date the person who only looks good on paper

20:09 - How a happy relationship changes your career

20:30 - Redefining ambition and “the bag”

21:45 - Success without scarcity

22:20 - Good mindset trick

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About The Burnouts

The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.

Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career.

Eyebrows built a billion-dollar brand—and Anastasia Soare explains exactly why. In this episode, you’ll learn the “golden ratio” method she used to shape brows for any face, plus the business and personal decisions that turned a Hollywood brow room into Anastasia Beverly Hills.

Anastasia Soare is the founder of Anastasia Beverly Hills and the pioneer behind modern brow shaping and the eyebrows of Oprah Winfrey, Kim Kardashian, Jennifer Lopez, and more. From leaving communist Romania with her daughter to becoming Hollywood’s “best kept secret,” she built a global beauty empire by mastering her craft, obsessing over education, and staying ahead of culture.

Chapters

00:00 - Why eyebrows define the face

01:20 - The 80s tweezing mistake that started everything

02:30 - Golden ratio brows (the pencil method)

04:10 - Working at 12 in Romania + learning work ethic

06:10 - Leaving communist Romania + arriving in America

08:35 - Discovering the brow opportunity in 90s Hollywood

10:45 - Quitting with $5,000 to start her own business

12:10 - The early salon years + creating products clients demanded

13:30 - Oprah: the moment that changed everything

19:30 - Nordstrom + the live demo that sold the Brow Studio idea

21:10 - Beginner beauty advice + how to practice products

23:20 - Expanding beyond brows: contour + the kit that sold out fast

28:20 - Biggest makeup mistakes and trends (over-contour, blending, laminated brows)

29:55 - If you only have 5 minutes: the simplest routine

31:10 - Why she refused “pencil-thin” brows (and what doesn’t grow back)

34:50 - Building social early: Instagram, tutorials, and influencer community

38:10 - Working with her daughter (including firing her) + running ABH together

43:45 - Learning finances the hard way + funding growth

45:00 - What’s next: innovation, expansion, and global markets

48:20 - Advice for entrepreneurs: resilience, focus, and starting before you feel ready

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About The Burnouts

The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.

Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career.