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  • S1, Ep 11- Keith Bynum: Homes for Detroiters, Inspiration for Everyone
    Oct 1 2025

    Keith Bynum didn't just move to Detroit – he was remade by it. In this episode of The BOBcast, Bob sits down with the star of HGTV's Bargain Block to hear about triumphs, heartbreaks and humbling moments that reshaped his life and career. From slipping on an escalator during his first Detroit visit, to flipping dozens of dilapidated homes into affordable and chic residences, Keith shares how Detroit gave him purpose, community and a second chance. If you've ever wondered how design can change a life – or how a city can change a person – this is the episode for you.

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    Keith Bynum's Introduction to Detroit
    :00- Keith Bynum shares his initial experience moving from Colorado to Detroit, describing it as a humbling setback that made him reassess his life.
    :18- Bob Riney introduces the podcast, "The BOBcast," and highlights its focus on Detroit's future and the visionaries driving change.
    1:06- Bob Riney introduces Keith Bynum and Evan Thomas, who gained national attention on HGTV's "Bargain Block" for transforming neglected Detroit houses into affordable homes.

    First Impressions and Community Support
    2:12- Keith Bynum recounts his first visit to Detroit, where he slipped on an escalator and received unexpected help from Detroit-based flight attendants.
    3:15- Bob Riney asks about the journey to securing an HGTV spot for "Bargain Block."
    3:26- Keith Bynum describes his previous experience on a tiny house show in Colorado and how it led to the opportunity in Detroit.
    4:36- Keith Bynum shares the challenges of fundraising and the unexpected financial support from a venture capital firm in Boston.

    Challenges and Successes of "Bargain Block"
    5:26- Keith Bynum details the financial struggles and the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on their production schedule.
    5:42- He recounts the moment when funding was pulled and the subsequent efforts to secure financing and complete the project.
    6:02- Bob Riney asks about the lessons learned from the experience.
    6:06- Keith Bynum reflects on the importance of humility and the support from the Detroit community during difficult times.

    Personal Connections and Community Impact
    7:07- Keith Bynum discusses the personal challenges he faced, including the loss of family members and the support he received from the Detroit community.
    7:43- He shares a story about a woman who welcomed him and Evan in Detroit, highlighting the inclusive and supportive nature of the city.
    8:43- Bob Riney asks about Keith Bynum's elevator speech on Detroit.
    8:52- Keith Bynum emphasizes the opportunities and funding available in Detroit, despite challenges at the federal level.

    Affordable Housing and Design
    9:10- Bob Riney asks about the proudest moments from "Bargain Block."
    9:17- Keith Bynum highlights the show's role in bringing attention to affordable housing issues and mortgage inequalities in Detroit.
    9:47- He discusses the challenge of making affordable housing desirable and chic.
    10:14- Bob Riney and Keith Bynum talk about the impact of design on neighborhoods and the importance of showcasing the positive aspects of Detroit.

    Project Management and Future Plans
    11:22- Keith Bynum reflects on the project management skills developed during the production of "Bargain Block” and the financial challenges of producing the show and the potential for future TV opportunities.
    11:47- Bob Riney asks about the importance of TV in Keith Bynum's future plans.
    12:44- Keith Bynum shares his vision for the future of Detroit, emphasizing the potential for population growth and community development.

    Final Reflections and Broader Lessons
    13:16- Bob Riney reflects on the lessons from Keith Bynum's journey, drawing parallels to large organizations like Henry Ford Health.
    13:30- He highlights the importance of curiosity, taking risks, and maintaining a long-term perspective.
    13:40- Bob Riney emphasizes the value of team-based activities and community support.
    15:01- He concludes by encouraging listeners to share the podcast and support Detroit's future.

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  • S1, Ep 10- Kris Draper: Stanley Cups, Strategy & Staying Detroit Tough
    Aug 12 2025

    What drives a champion once the trophies are won? For Kris Draper, it’s a deep passion for Detroit Red Wings hockey and the city that became his home. In this episode of The BOBcast, Bob sits down with the four-time Stanley Cup champion to hear unforgettable stories, from tough on-ice battles to the victories that helped build his legacy. Now serving in the Red Wings front office, Draper brings that same relentless drive to shaping the team's future. He opens up about his leadership style, behind-the-scenes stories of championship seasons, his fierce hunger to compete, and much more. This is the man behind the legendary résumé: still tough as ever, just with a couple new hips.

    :05- Bob asks Kris to describe the pain after being hit by Claude Lemieux when he suffered a broken jaw, fractured cheekbone, and a broken nose.
    :13- Kris- “Yeah, I can honestly say that one hurt.”
    1:26- Bob surprises Kris with his first question about competitive pickleball.
    1:31- Kris shares his enthusiasm for competitive pickleball, mentioning his participation in four tournaments and his recent hip replacement surgery
    2:32- Kris expresses confidence in the top-notch care and recovery provided to the players by Henry Ford Health.
    2:45- Bob reminisces about his experiences as a Red Wings fan, including attending Stanley Cup celebrations.
    3:27- Kris reflects on the loyalty and passion of Detroit sports fans, even when they boo out of frustration.
    4:00- Kris discusses how the draft lottery hasn't helped the Red Wings of late. “We haven't had opportunities to even swing at generational players.”
    4:57- Kris describes the process of transition from a player to the front office
    6:17- Kris recalls the emotions surrounding the tragic death teammate Vladimir Konstantinov.
    7:13- Bob asks Kris about his leadership style and how Steve Yzerman would describe it.
    7:15- Kris emphasizes his competitive nature and the importance of outworking the competition.
    7:46- Bob inquires about Kris's approach to managing conflict in the office.
    8:09- Kris shares about his son Kienan, who plays for the Michigan Wolverines, and his daughters' support for his sports career.
    9:28- Kris recounts a memorable moment from the 2002 Stanley Cup playoffs, where the Red Wings overcame a 3-2 deficit against Colorado.
    10:30- Kris describes the excitement and pressure of Game Six and the dominance of Game Seven.
    12:07- Bob highlights the passion of Detroit sports fans and the epic parades that followed the Red Wings' victories.
    12:26- Kris shares a story from the 1997 Stanley Cup celebration, involving taking the Stanley Cup to various bars and restaurants.
    14:28- Bob asks Kris about his current skating habits and his plans to return to the ice after hip surgery.
    14:59- Kris describes visiting Lions’ training camp and the similarities with the Red Wings
    15:26- Kris takes us into the locker room and reflects on the pain of suffering a broken jaw, fractured cheekbone, and broken nose from being checked into the boards by Claude Lemieux.
    18:20- Bob reflects back on the conversation and describes Kris as a quintessential Detroiter who embodies grit, resilience, and determination.

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  • S1, Ep 9- Eric Larson: Grit & Growth in the Heart of Detroit
    Jul 14 2025
    What does it take to shape a city’s future while honoring its roots? In this episode of The BOBcast, Bob Riney sits down with Eric Larson, CEO of the Downtown Detroit Partnership, for a real conversation about the passion, purpose and partnerships fueling Detroit’s forward momentum. From reimagining public spaces to building a more connected and inclusive downtown, they explore how thoughtful leadership and community-driven innovation are helping Detroit thrive in a new era of prosperity. Eric Larson's Journey and Passion for Detroit1:59- Eric moved to Detroit after marrying a Detroiter and starting his real estate career, working on significant projects like One Detroit Center.2:25- Eric's father, a Presbyterian minister, instilled in him a strong sense of service and community, which he found in Detroit.2:39- He recalls the challenges Detroit faced in the 1970s, including being labeled "America's first third world city," and his determination to change the city's narrative.Detroit's Turnaround and Community Efforts3:11- Bob and Eric discuss the collective effort to change Detroit's negative narrative, including a column by Mitch Albom challenging Detroiters to be part of the solution.4:34- Eric highlights the momentum and collaboration between public, private, and foundation sectors in transforming Detroit.4:49- He mentions key developments like the work of Dan Gilbert, the Ilitch family, and the Henry Ford Health campus, which demonstrate the city's progress.5:17- Eric emphasizes the importance of inclusivity and ensuring that everyone feels a sense of belonging in Detroit.Balancing Downtown Development and Public Access5:34- Bob raises concerns about the perception of downtown events being exclusive, despite being for the public.6:24- Eric explains the need for controlled areas to ensure safety and create an enjoyable environment for all.6:40- He discusses the importance of replicating successful downtown initiatives in other parts of the city to benefit the entire population.7:10- Eric highlights the need for new standards to ensure the city's growth is inclusive and sustainable.Cool Factors and Community Engagement8:00- Bob asks Eric about unique experiences in downtown Detroit that people might not know about.8:13- Eric mentions family movie nights in the center of the downtown campus and the free movie screenings at Campus Martius.8:47- He highlights the network of green spaces and the local flavor of downtown Detroit, including the Avenue of Fashion.9:17- Eric emphasizes the city's growing food scene and the global recognition Detroit is receiving.Motivating Businesses to Engage with the Community9:53- Bob inquires about motivating businesses to go beyond having a corporate office in Detroit and engage with the community.10:12- Eric discusses the importance of businesses understanding the long-term benefits of investing in the city's sustainability and quality of life.10:29- He mentions the underdog mentality of Detroit and the passion and authenticity that drive the city's progress.11:38- Eric shares an example of a coach's authenticity and passion, which resonates with the Detroit spirit.Detroit's Connection with Canada and Future Leadership12:05- Bob asks about Detroit's relationship with Canada and the importance of the Windsor-Detroit border for trade and economic growth.13:02- Eric highlights the significant economic impact of the Windsor-Detroit border and the efforts to reinforce the connection between the two cities.13:20- He discusses the importance of not allowing political rhetoric to divert from the region's best interests.13:50- Bob shifts the conversation to Eric's leadership philosophy, which emphasizes listening, learning from others, and the value of diverse perspectives.Eric Larson's Career Reflections and Vision for Detroit14:37- Bob asks Eric what his 25-year-old self would anticipate his career path to be.14:56- Eric humorously mentions his initial aspiration to be a rancher but expresses his excitement about Detroit's future.15:15- He encourages young professionals to consider Detroit as a place to make a significant impact on the city's future.15:52- Eric outlines his vision for Detroit's future, including rethinking education, employment, and transitioning to a knowledge economy.Closing Remarks and Eric Larson's Influence16:32- Bob thanks Eric Larson for his leadership and influence in Detroit.17:18- Bob highlights Eric's humble nature and his ability to inspire other CEOs to take on broader community roles.17:33- Bob emphasizes the importance of the events and initiatives in downtown Detroit, which offer something for everyone.18:16- The episode concludes with Bob encouraging listeners to stay engaged and continue supporting Detroit's progress.
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  • S1, Ep 8- Rachel Stewart: Furniture, Fashion, and Fearless Change
    May 20 2025

    What do solar policy, Thanksgiving parades, and custom ceramics have in common? In this episode you’ll meet Rachel Stewart, President and CEO of Gardner White, who’s shaking up the furniture world and having a blast doing it. From launching a bold new retail concept in downtown Detroit to teaming up with local art students from the College for Creative Studies, Rachel brings grit, grace, and serious style to everything she touches. She opens up about family business dynamics, her D.C. days, and why counting laps in a pool keeps her sane.

    :52- Bob Riney introduces Rachel Stewart, President and CEO of Gardner White, a family-owned furniture business in Michigan
    1:27- Rachel expresses her excitement about the new retail concept, GW Home, opening in downtown Detroit
    1:39- The new store will focus on urban living styles with a range of price points and feature local Detroit artists
    2:26- Rachel emphasizes the importance of incorporating local Detroit talent, including ceramicists and artists
    2:51- Bob mentions Gardner White's long-standing sponsorship of the America's Thanksgiving Parade in Detroit
    3:25- Rachel shares her pride in continuing this Detroit tradition
    4:12- Bob asks Rachel to reflect on her political experience in Washington, DC, and how it influenced her current role at Gardner White
    4:41- She discusses the importance of economic development and manufacturing in Michigan, drawing parallels to her work in clean energy and technology
    6:07- She shares data from the University of Michigan, showing that positive interactions with salespeople significantly impact customer perception
    6:47- Rachel emphasizes the importance of skilled and informed sales teams in providing a superior customer experience
    7:17- Rachel discusses the rarity of female CEOs in the furniture industry and the importance of having women in key buying positions
    8:00- Rachel shares her approach to integrating online shopping with in-store experiences to enhance the overall shopping experience
    8:52- Rachel reflects on the unique challenges of leading a family business and the importance of communication and shared vision
    9:30- Rachel mentions the support of a world-class leadership team and their commitment to Detroit
    9:40- Bob points out Rachel’s involvement in various influential boards in the Detroit area where she emphasizes the importance of engagement and impact in the city
    10:29- Rachel discusses her focus on economic development and education as key issues for the state
    11:00- She shares her perspective on social media and the importance of setting a positive example for her children
    11:14- Rachel shares her personal interests, including swimming and running, as ways to center herself amidst chaos
    11:42- She provides advice to her children, encouraging them to try new things and not be afraid to fail and emphasizes the importance of finding good mentors and the impact they can have on one's career
    12:35- Bob reflects on his conversation with Rachel and the traits that make her a great leader

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  • S1, Ep 7- Gary Torgow: Banking on Something Bigger
    May 12 2025

    Gary Torgow could have built a successful career in law, but he knew he was meant for a different path. The Chairman of Huntington National Bank and a Detroit native, Gary has never forgotten where he came from – channeling his passion into bold investments for underserved communities, helping families buy their first home, and creating opportunities where they are needed most. In this episode, Bob dives into Gary’s unexpected journey, his deep community roots, and the powerful story behind his civil rights tour through Selma to remind business leaders of what real progress demands.

    :13- Bob Riney welcomes listeners to the episode
    1:28- Gary Torgow was raised primarily by his grandparents, who had a “spectacular influence” on his life
    2:31- Gary walks us through his unexpected journal from Law School to buying America’s smallest bank and turning it into a $2 billion financial institution
    4:41- Gary describes how banking is the driver of economics, from buying homes, cars, small businesses
    5:28- Gary recalls his conversation with Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan on ways to strengthen underserved neighborhoods
    6:32- Gary making the ambitious announcement to invest $1 billion in minority owned communities and small businesses
    7:28- What traits does Gary want to see in the next mayor of Detroit
    8:16- Bob asks Gary how we should navigate the divisiveness in our society?
    9:05- Gary turns to kindness; “blessings come from providing kindness to other people.”
    10:20- Gary announces a $10 million expansion of the Heart and Home Program
    10:41- Gary describes the power of home ownership
    11:22- Gary describes the positive conversation he had with a Henry Ford doctor
    12:17- Gary balances vacation, time off, and his mission to work and make a difference
    13:51- Bob reflects on the time Gary took Detroit business leaders on an immersive Civil Rights tour in the South

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  • S1, Ep 6- Dr. Scott Dulchavsky: From Trauma Bays to Outer Space
    Apr 14 2025

    What happens when you mix a top-tier surgeon, a NASA innovator, and a Detroit-born tinkerer with big dreams? You get Dr. Scott Dulchavsky - CEO of the Henry Ford Innovation Institute and a true original. From solving the medical challenges astronauts might encounter while in outer space, to building cutting-edge simulation centers right here on Earth, Scott's work is helping to redefine what’s possible in medicine. In this episode of The BOBcast, Bob Riney sits down with the doctor who’s part innovator, part astronaut whisperer, and all Detroit hustle. They talk breakthroughs, big ideas, and why this city keeps producing world-changing talent. Don’t miss this ride! It's Detroit grit meets space-age science - and the future is looking stellar.

    :00- Introduction
    :43- Bob Riney introduces Dr. Scott Dulchavsky, highlighting his roles as Surgeon in Chief for Henry Ford Health and CEO of the Innovation Institute
    1:43- Scott shares his background, mentioning his father's role at General Motors and his own interest in problem-solving from a young age
    2:17-Scott describes himself as a "mechanic at large," influenced by his grandfather's tinkering
    2:33- Bob Riney notes Scott's diverse interests, including teaching, inventing medical equipment, and working with NASA
    2:51- Scott discusses his focus on impact, mentioning the development of a Simulation Center at Henry Ford Health
    3:33- He emphasizes the importance of training young people and the logarithmic scale of impact through education
    3:54- Bob Riney appreciates how the Simulation Center breaks traditional perceptions of healthcare by integrating high-tech and digital solutions
    4:24- Scott highlights the importance of training in difficult conversations, especially in diverse cultural contexts
    5:13- Scott recounts his relationship with NASA, starting with a classmate's dream of becoming an astronaut
    Scott describes his role in developing medical equipment for space, including a portable ultrasound device.
    5:53- Scott shares his experience with NASA's training methods and the importance of scalability in medical innovations
    6:32- Scott discusses the impact of these innovations on healthcare on Earth, particularly in remote and underserved areas
    8:07- Bob Riney asks Scott about his desire to be an astronaut and his near-miss with the Space Shuttle Columbia
    8:21- Scott recounts the tragic events of the Columbia disaster and the impact on his friends at NASA
    9:17- Bob Riney asks Scott about his vision for the future of healthcare, particularly in AI, digital solutions, and autonomous transportation
    9:45- Scott emphasizes the importance of an open-minded approach to innovation and collaboration with diverse teams
    10:48- Scott highlights the role of AI in making healthcare more accessible and efficient, with a focus on patient-centered care
    11:44- Bob inquires about Scott's approach to embracing change and providing advice for others who may feel overwhelmed
    12:00- Scott stresses the importance of thoughtful and mindful change, especially in high-stakes environments like medicine
    13:04- Bob asks Scott about the evolution of surgery and his vision for the next decade
    13:12- Scott describes the shift from invasive surgeries to less invasive procedures and the role of new technologies
    13:50- Bob Riney shares his experience with legislators and the challenge of communicating the value of research
    14:50- Scott discusses the need for effective storytelling to make research relevant to everyday citizens
    15:31- Scott highlights the importance of science communication and the role of storytelling in making research accessible
    15:53- Bob asks Scott about his experiences teaching the next generation of healthcare professionals
    16:07- Scott expresses excitement about the younger generation's immersion in technology and their potential to drive innovation
    16:20- Scott emphasizes the importance of diverse careers in healthcare, beyond clinical roles
    16:40- Bob thanks Scott for his contributions and reflects on their relationship as colleagues
    16:57- Bob reflects on the episode and his gratitude of his collegial relationship with his colleagues, how employees can be entrepreneurs and innovators no matter what their role is, and the importance of self-awareness and effective communication in the scientific community

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  • S1, Ep 5- Nicole Sherard-Freeman: Baseball Caps & Big Moves
    Mar 31 2025

    Communities don’t change by magic — they transform when leaders listen before they act. As President and CEO of the Community Foundation for Southeast Michigan, Nicole Sherard-Freeman knows that true impact doesn’t happen in boardrooms — it happens during real conversations with people, while wearing sweatpants and a baseball cap. In this episode, Bob and Nicole talk about her organization's role in helping donors invest in causes they believe in, from vibrant parks to thriving arts; her mission to strengthen communities and rebuild institutions; and, if medical advancements at Henry Ford Health allow, her plans to stick around until she’s 115.

    :00- Introduction
    :55- Bob Riney expresses excitement about interviewing Nicole Sherard-Freeman, President and CEO of Community Foundation for Southeast Michigan
    1:42- Nicole shares her personal connection to Detroit, having grown up in various parts of the city and the suburbs
    2:22- Nicole explains the Community Foundation for Southeast Michigan, which she describes as a funding organization with contributions from thousands of donors
    3:29- Nicole provides examples of how small and large donors contribute to various causes, such as scholarships, animal welfare, local parks, and arts
    3:59- Bob discusses the importance of community support in health outcomes, mentioning Henry Ford Health's role in providing innovative care
    4:41- Nicole highlights the potential for regional partnerships and the importance of collaboration between organizations like Henry Ford and the Community Foundation
    5:17- Bob asks Nicole about the Community Foundation's proudest moments, and she cites the role of founding CEO Mariam Noland in the Detroit bankruptcy and the Riverfront project
    8:03- Bob shifts the conversation to politics, asking about the attributes needed in the next Detroit mayor
    8:36- Nicole emphasizes the importance of leadership skills, understanding large operations, and the ability to run things at scale
    9:30- Nicole shares her thoughts on running for mayor and the importance of young leaders stepping forward
    10:15- Nicole discusses the Community Foundation's approach to understanding stakeholders and the importance of listening to real stories from the community.
    11:51- Bob Riney asks Nicole what advice she would give to her 25-year-old self
    12:04- Nicole and she advises traveling more, listening more, and being less critical
    12:38- Nicole- “I want to be on the clinical trials so that I end up with the technology upgrades in my body to live till I'm 115”
    12:59- Nicole expresses her passion for rebuilding institutions and systems to support communities better
    13:44- Bob Riney asks Nicole about navigating the noise and distractions in today's environment
    14:15- Nicole shares her approach of listening to the noise and reprocessing it to identify the kernels of truth
    16:20- Bob Riney reflects on the conversation, highlighting Nicole's call to get out of one's bubble and listen to diverse perspectives

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  • S1, Ep 4- Kevin Guskiewicz: An MSU State of Mind
    Mar 17 2025

    As president of Michigan State University, Dr. Kevin Guskiewicz is shaping the future of one of the nation's top research institutions - helping students excel, attracting the best talent, and expanding MSU's impact in Detroit. In this episode, Bob Riney and Kevin talk about the transformative 30-year partnership with Henry Ford Health and MSU, highlighted by a brand-new research center that will span nearly 350,000 square feet and feature seven stories of advanced laboratory space. They also explore the important role of free speech on campus, the evolving landscape of diversity, equity & inclusion, and the university's commitment to driving innovation through collaboration. Kevin shares colorful anecdotes about his roots in a town known for Arnold Palmer, Rolling Rock, and Mr. Rogers, topped off with some savvy advice from his daughter.

    :15- Bob Riney introduces The BOBcast and welcomes Kevin Guskiewicz, President of Michigan State University.
    1:26- Kevin shares his initial impressions of Michigan, the unpredictable Michigan weather, and the partnership with Henry Ford Health and Michigan State University.
    2:12- Kevin emphasizes the importance of talent attraction and having a good roadmap for recruitment
    2:48- Kevin compares the role of university president to Wayne Gretzky's strategy on the ice, predicting where the puck is going to be.
    2:58- Kevin talks about the importance of sports as one of many avenues into the university and the world-class faculty and coaches at Michigan State.
    3:50- Kevin mentions the competitive juices between MSU and the University of Michigan and the importance of partnering with other universities in the university research corridor.
    5:00- Kevin pitches Michigan State as the pioneer land-grant university, built around agriculture, engineering, and education.
    5:22- “We have to become a more contemporary university” ~ Kevin Guskiewicz
    5:32- Kevin highlights the university's medical colleges, nursing school, and supply chain management program.
    6:05- Kevin mentions the largest incoming class in the university’s history and the high percentage of Michigan students and graduates staying in the state.
    6:33- Bob leads the discussion of the importance of maintaining safety on campus while allowing free speech.
    7:10- Kevin Guskiewicz talks about the need to engage with students and faculty on issues like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and mentions the review of policies to ensure clarity and communication of expectations.
    7:52- Kevin emphasizes the importance of modeling and promoting free speech through programming on public discourse.
    8:02- Bob talks of Henry Ford Health and MSU being purposeful with diversity, equity, and inclusion.
    8:27- Kevin defines diversity as a fact, equity as an aspiration, and inclusion as a non-negotiable choice.
    9:00- Kevin mentions the joint research enterprise with Henry Ford Health to address health disparities.
    9:14- Bob and Kevin discuss the early stages of the 30-year partnership between Henry Ford Health and Michigan State University.
    9:32- Kevin expresses excitement about the partnership elevating both institutions.
    9:45- Kevin highlights the research center in Detroit as a game-changer for research in key areas like cancer and neuroscience.
    10:32- Kevin mentions the Nick Gilbert Neurofibromatosis Research Institute and the advanced technology to recruit top researchers.
    11:08- Bob asks Kevin about his vision for Michigan State University in five years.
    11:33- Kevin Guskiewicz envisions an MSU- Henry Ford Health campus
    11:55- Kevin talks about developing the Fisher Building with retail, restaurants, and other amenities, the potential for a high-end grocery store and a boutique hotel to benefit patients and the research community.
    13:09- Bob asks Kevin about his personal interests and hobbies.
    13:25- Kevin shares his hometown upbringing, love for golf, being a lifelong Pittsburgh Steelers fan, and his appreciation for James Taylor and Chris Stapleton.
    14:49- Kevin jokes about his daughter's request to avoid being recorded while dancing.
    15:17- Bob asks what Kevin’s dream headline would be in five years.
    16:36- Bob talks about being surprised by Kevin’s confidence as campuses being an epicenter of free speech in a way we’re securing the physical and mental safety of all
    17:15- Bob thanks listeners and hopes they’re being motivated by guests on The BOBcast
    18:13- Bob appreciates how MSU has a “secret sauce” of agriculture that could move us to food being our source of wellness

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