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The Adoptee Next Door

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There is something temptingly tidy about the idea of adoption: a family with extra love and resources meets a child in need of both. The Adoptee Next Door takes the listener beyond the sparkly fairy tale of adoption.

angieadoptee.substack.comAngela Tucker
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  • A Live Book Talk with Rev. Alissa Newton
    Mar 4 2026

    Some conversations are worth trudging through a blizzard for. In early February, when New York City was buried under a Bomb Cyclone, I made my way to the Church of the Ascension in Greenwich Village for a conversation I’d been wanting to have for a long time, with Rev. Alissa Newton, Canon to the Ordinary of the Archdiocese of New York, adoptive mom, founder of the Adoptive Parents 4 Adoptees Fund, and Board Chair of the Adoptee Mentoring Society, the nonprofit I founded and lead.

    I have a soft spot for rooms where people in positions of institutional power choose to reckon honestly with a history they didn’t personally create but nonetheless inherited. That kind of accountability is its own form of courage. I knew Alissa would bring it.

    And she did. But this evening was bigger than any one institution. It was a live book talk and wide-ranging conversation about adoption itself — what it means to be adopted, to search, to reunite, to grieve, to belong. We talked about race, identity, and the gap between how adoption is publicly celebrated and privately experienced. The Episcopal Church’s history was one important thread, but the room was full of people hungry to talk honestly about all of it.

    This episode is a recording of that night.

    What makes Alissa such a compelling conversation partner is that she knows the Church from the inside, its rhythms, its contradictions, its capacity for both harm and healing. She doesn't flinch from any of it. And for a conversation that required someone willing to examine an institution she loves, that mattered enormously.

    Historians call the years between 1945 and 1973 the Baby Scoop Era. This is a time when an estimated 1.5 to 4 million unmarried women surrendered children for adoption. That number alone should stop us. Then add the research: young women sent away to maternity homes, shamed from pulpits, pressured by social workers, told that surrender was the only moral choice. Faith-based institutions, including the Episcopal Church, were not peripheral to this story. They were central infrastructure.

    There were many powerful moments that evening, but one has stayed with me the way certain moments do. It came during the Q&A. Francine Gurtler stood up and asked Alissa to offer an apology on behalf of the Church. Then she told us why. Francine was fifteen years old when she was sent to an unwed mothers home, where she sobbed on the ground begging to keep her baby. “They literally took him from my arms,” she said. She found her son in 2017 through a DNA test, but reunion, as any adoptee or first mother will tell you, doesn’t erase the wound. What Francine wants is both simple and enormous: for the Church to say, to her son and grandchildren, “We stole him from her.”

    The room went still. That moment said everything.

    Francine is part of a growing movement of mothers pushing for something historic — a formal Episcopal apology that would make the Church the first U.S. institution to take that step. Two Canadian denominations have already done so, with Vancouver going further by creating counseling resources, a hotline, and a Mother’s Day blessing for mothers who lost children through coercion. An Episcopal apology would break new ground on this side of the border.

    I left feeling hopeful and proud. Proud that Francine came and was met with the grace she deserved, someone willing to sit in the discomfort of history without flinching. Because the Church cannot celebrate adoption on Sunday and archive its maternity home records on Monday. That's not repair. That's performance. Francine didn't come for performance. She came for the truth. And that night, at least, she got closer to it.

    I hope you enjoy the episode.



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  • From Indonesia to the Netherlands: A Documentary That Holds the Paradox of Adoption
    Jan 15 2026
    Al Jazeera released this documentary and it’s available HERE.I had so much fun interviewing Huibert van Wijk for this podcast—and watching Child of Their Time left me quietly undone in the best way. Two things struck me immediately. First, this is an adoption story told with deep care by the adoptee’s brother. Second, the film allows the adoptive father to be fully seen and not as a caricature or a villain, but as someone actively grappling with paradox.Lex, the adoptive father, recalls the excitement of adoption in the 1970s: “The baby didn’t come from a mother’s belly, but from the belly of the plane. It was so exciting.” Later, we hear him say, with equal clarity and humility, “If I’d known then what I know now, I wouldn’t have done it.” That shift lands with force, especially when paired with archival images of women holding Indonesian babies on the plane while Lex reflects, “Now I understand the impact.” It is rare and powerful to witness an adoptive parent name both love and regret without collapsing into defensiveness.At the center of the film is Tim, the adoptee, who was adopted from Indonesia to the Netherlands and shares that he never really felt able to bond. From the opening moments, we understand that Tim and Lex are estranged. And yet, throughout the film, it is unmistakable how deeply Lex longs to connect with his son—even as Tim works to make sense of an adoption that cost him culture, history, and belonging.Part of what makes this film so compelling is that it resists a tidy narrative. Child of Their Time centers on Tim and Lex, with Huibert (Tim’s brother) guiding us through a story that refuses the familiar binaries of rescue or gratitude. Instead, we are invited into a layered, sometimes painful exploration of how the same adoption can hold radically different meanings depending on where you stand.After nearly twenty years of working professionally in adoption, I have watched the adoptee-versus-adoptive-parent discourse harden. Conversations become brittle. Defensive. Futile. As if the only way to tell the truth is to decide who is “wrong.” For a long time, inclusive conversations that made room for everyone touched by adoption felt impossible to sustain. Lately, though, something has shifted for me. I’m no longer experiencing adoption as a zero-sum equation. I’m beginning to understand it as a both/and conversation.I’m deeply grateful to my dear friend Cynthia Hansen, a Korean adoptee, who introduced me to Both/And Thinking by Wendy K. Smith and Marianne W. Lewis. The authors describe how embracing paradox begins by noticing tensions—those moments that push us to choose one side over another. They name three familiar traps: rabbit holes, where strengths are overdeveloped until they become weaknesses; wrecking balls, where we overcorrect from one extreme to another; and trench warfare, where polarization hardens into us-versus-them thinking. Their invitation is not to resolve tension too quickly, but to find comfort in the discomfort.That framing feels especially alive in this episode.Lex points to generational differences in how adoption is understood, and I hear that layered alongside broader cultural shifts. Tim, born in 1970, sits at an intersection—experiencing not only the deracination of international adoption, but also a moment when Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z are increasingly willing to name harm, prioritize mental health, and choose distance or estrangement when relationships feel unsafe. These frameworks were largely unavailable to Boomers, who were raised with a mandate to honor parents at all costs. None of this negates love, but it does contextualize rupture.What is extraordinary to witness in Child of Their Time is an adoptive father taking responsibility for the complexity of adoption. Lex is able to say, “I love him. He is my son,” while also acknowledging that he may be experienced as a surrogate father, not a replacement. That kind of honesty requires relinquishing certainty.Huibert van Wijk’s documentary asks a deceptively simple question: In whose interest is international adoption, anyway? And what this film makes clear is that the only honest answer is not either/or, but both/and.Using home videos, archival footage, and deeply personal interviews, Huibert gently pieces together Tim’s adoption story alongside reflections from his father and brother. After arriving in the Netherlands, Tim struggled to land, culturally, emotionally, and relationally, and over time pulled away from Lex. The film moves back and forth between their perspectives: Tim trying to make sense of his Indonesian and Dutch identities, and Lex slowly realizing that what once felt purely loving now lives inside a much more complicated story.When Tim receives new information about his biological family and travels back to Indonesia, the past doesn’t stay politely in the background. Old assumptions get shaken. Long-avoided conversations ...
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  • Reshaping Adoption Narratives in LA's Entertainment Capital
    Dec 4 2025

    In mid-November, I found myself standing inside a glowing cube in Hollywood.

    Not metaphorically. Literally. Emerson College’s West Coast micro-campus is a futuristic beacon rising from the heart of the entertainment capital, housing the ambitions of 200+ students who are learning to write, produce, act and report on the stories that will shape our culture. And on this particular night, the stories we were making space for were the ones so often pushed to the margins in the realm of entertainment: adoption, identity, belonging.

    Next to me sat Marissa Jo Cerar. Screenwriter. Storyteller. She’s the force behind Hulu’s Black Cake and ABC’s Women of the Movement, a writer who cut her teeth on The Handmaid’s Tale, The Fosters, and Birthright. Her mantle holds an NAACP Image Award and two Humanitas Prizes—accolades that matter, yes, but what matters more is this: Marissa writes adoption like she knows it. Because she does. Her work doesn’t tiptoe around identity; it bleeds it onto the page, unapologetically, relentlessly.

    Our guide for the evening was Juliet Rubin Ramirez, Emerson alum, CFO of the Adoptee Mentoring Society and fellow transracial adoptee, whose voice carried the quiet authority of someone who’s lived these questions, not just asked them.

    Marissa peeled back the curtain on her adaptation of Charmaine Wilkerson’s novel, Black Cake, revealing how—with Wilkerson’s trust and blessing—she rewrote scenes to honor what adoption actually feels like, not what people want it to feel like. I shared my own small adoptee win: educating the writers of This Is Us about Ghost Kingdom’s, which led to Randall discussing his own in Season 5, Episode 13. We’ve both attempted to hold up a mirror for adoptees who rarely see themselves reflected back.

    We didn’t shy away from the hard parts. We talked about scarcity—the belief that there’s only room for one adoptee story, one adoptee voice, as if our experiences were a zero-sum game. I unpacked Marika Lindholm’s concept of Boundary Spanning, the skill adoptees develop when we’re constantly translating between worlds that don’t quite fit us. And we named the impossible burden: the expectation that any one of us could stand in for all of us, that our singular stories should somehow contain the multitudes.

    By the time the evening wound down, the air had softened. Laughter threaded through the crowd. Pens scratched across title pages—Marissa signing her daughter’s book, Spanky and His Blanky, while I signed copies of You Should Be Grateful: Stories of Race, Identity and Transracial Adoption.

    It was a lovely gathering centered on truth, artistry, and the adoptee imprint on our cultural imagination.



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This has become my favorite podcast on adoption, and I listen to the new releases weekly as soon as they are posted.

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