Recorded live at the Compass Gallery, this episode captures the "Becoming Sovereign" event hosted by That’s Church. We dive deep into the theological and practical aspects of sovereignty—defining it not as separation, but as "sacred self-authorship."

What You’ll Hear in This Episode:

• Emilie Call & Anne Pimentel: An opening on the spiritual gift of women carrying one another’s burdens and the mission of That's Church.

• Rebecca Young: A guided meditation on the "Sovereign Mormon" and the interconnectedness of God's children.

• Amy Watkins Jensen: On the "premise of flourishing," using the examples of Oprah and Queen Esther to illustrate obedience to a personal divine call.

• Maxine Hanks: A deep dive into the theology of agency and the paradox of maintaining a private relationship with God while navigating the social path of belonging.

• McArthur Krishna: The "How-To" of sovereignty—starting before you're ready, embracing discomfort, and the power of teaching sovereignty to the next generation.

Key Quotes:

• "When individual women flourish, whole communities thrive." — Amy Watkins Jensen

• "Sovereignty is both the right and the responsibility to use our divine agency to bring forth our divinity." — Maxine Hanks

• "If you can’t practice sovereignty on your own behalf, you can certainly teach it." — McArthur Krishna

Episode Overview

How do you find spiritual independence after 30 years behind the pulpit? David Hayward (The NakedPastor) joins Emilie and Ashlie to discuss the "slow melt" of deconstruction, the power of art to bypass our defenses, and how to find community when you’ve left the "furnace of fellowship" behind.

Key Highlights

• The Growth Rings: Why your religious past is an essential part of your story, not something to be ashamed of.

• The Wheel of Oneness: A visual guide to why the closer we get to the "truth," the more we realize we are all connected.

• Challenging the Patriarchy: Why David’s feminist art often triggers the most controversy and why he refuses to stop drawing it.

• Life After Church: Navigating the loneliness of leaving and learning that you don't have to be an "open book" to everyone to find real friends.

Resources & Links

• David’s Website: nakedpastor.com

• Online Community: The Lasting Supper

• Book Mentioned: The Liberation of Sophia by David Hayward

• Follow David: @nakedpastor on Instagram

Connect With Us

• Instagram: @thatschurch

• Website: thatschurch.org

We are kicking off Season Three with a powerful conversation about faith in a volatile world. Reverend Gerlyn Henry joins Emilie and Ashlie to discuss the ethics of ministry during times of global conflict and political tension. From the "resistance of joy" to the necessity of lamenting for Gaza and protecting the dignity of immigrants, this episode is a call to a bigger, more inclusive theology.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Faith in the Public Square: Navigating ministry and social justice in today's climate.

• The Call to Lament: Centering human dignity (Imago Dei) during the crisis in Gaza.

• Bridges, Not Barriers: How radical hospitality humanizes the immigrant and the refugee.

• Prophetic Joy: Why finding joy in turbulence is a vital form of spiritual resistance.

Connect with our Guest:

• Instagram: @Gerlynhenry

• Location: St. Jude’s in Scarborough, Ontario (through July 2026).

Annual Women’s Event: Becoming Sovereign

• Full Title: Becoming Sovereign - Claiming your story, honoring your agency & Building our Beloved Community

• Date: March 7th, 2026

• Time: 6:00 PM – 8:30 PM (Doors open at 5:30 PM)

• Tickets: Available at thatschurch.org

Book Club & Field Trips

• Book Club: March 12th | 7:00 PM | Draper, Utah.

• Easter Field Trip: Join us at St. Mary’s Episcopal Church in Provo, Utah.

• Date: Thursday, April 2nd (Evening).

Follow the journey:

• Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast

• Website: thatschurch.org

Upcoming Events & Community Gatherings